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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:33 PM
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Hillary works with Rabbis to send Torahs to Iraq (one Rabbi's group says gays can change...)
Hillary's Obama Moment....

Senator Clinton Joins With Members of New York Board of Rabbis and the Jewish Educators Network to Send Torahs to Troops in Iraq

Four Torahs from congregations around New York City will be sent to Iraq to enable servicemen and women to celebrate the High Holy Days

New York, NY - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton last week joined with Rabbi Joseph Potasnik, President of the New York Board of Rabbis (NYBR), Senior Rabbi of Congreation Mount Sinai in Brooklyn and FDNY Rabbinic Chaplain and NYBR Board members Rabbi Allan Schranz of Sutton Place Synagogue in Manhattan, Rabbi Robert Levine of Rodelph Sholom in Manhattan, and Rabbi Bruce Ginsburg of Congregation Sons of Israel in Woodmere and National President of Union for Traditional Judaism along with Rabbi David Lapp, Director of the Jewish Welfare Board to present three of four Torahs that were to be transported to Iraq and Kuwait. The full-size torahs are part of a project to allow the nation's Jewish servicemen and women stationed in Iraq to celebrate the coming High Holy Days. The Torahs were transported to Iraq over the weekend.

"I am so delighted that these Torahs will be carried to our soldiers in the Gulf so they may celebrate the High Holy Days," Senator Clinton said at the presentation last Thursday. "On the eve of these important holidays, we have a chance for not only Jews around the world, but for all people, to look back in a spirit of reconciliation and atonement and to look forward in a spirit of shared humanity. This is a very special moment and I thank everyone who has helped bring it about - particularly the congregations who have made the commitment to send these very precious Torahs to our soldiers."

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=235109


From the Union for Traditional Judaism

While admonishing the religious climate, both rabbis
also asserted that the latest science does not support
what some consider the "gay agenda." Rabbi Levy
announced that the UTJ would shortly be publishing a
series of booklets entitled Myths and Facts. The first
would deal with myths and facts about homosexuality
and Judaism.

"There is a difference between what scientists know
from empirical study and what scientists believe,“ said
Rabbi Levy. "Dr.Nathan Cummings, underwhom I
studied at CalTech, the very person who was
instrumental in removing homosexuality from the DSM (the
psychiatric handbook on disorders), also helped 20% of
his homosexual clientele to change their orientation.

"… He believes that homosexuality should not be
considered a disorder, but he knows that it is possible to
change one‘s orientation and that a good psychologist

will help someone who has unwanted same-sex desire
to change,“ Rabbi Levy added.

"The damage done by those who insist that same-sex
orientation should be affirmed to those for whom it is
unwanted is everybit as deep and destructive as is gay-
bashing. Both are based on beliefs and political agendas
and disregard the humanity of the individual.“

http://www.utj.org/Hagahelet/hagv27n01.pdf

Much more at the link....

:popcorn:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:48 PM
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1. She should've done better research and she should denounce him.
The fucked up thing is that she probably won't. It sounds like she joined onto an event that was already happening as opposed to creating an event with the specific goal of sending a coded message to homophobes, though. Thanks for pointing this out. I'll keep an eye out to see if she explicitly embraces this guy in a singular way. Only an extremely small percentage of Jewish synagogues are antigay radicals, so it would be stupid to use this guy to show solidarity with him (even conservative Judaism supports gay marriage.)

These politicians need to distance themselves from antigay movements.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:51 PM
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2. I think we can find a lot of negative about ALL our candidates if we just dig enough
No one is perfect, and I think voting record and plans they spout to fix things is more relevant than my own post above :)
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:36 AM
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6. I agree that it seems that she just joined in
They may have contacted her to gain publicity for themselves. Some people see through this while some people are just blinded by celebrity.
Around my offices (gov't) we call election time "silly season".
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:30 PM
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3. afternoon kick (nt)
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 04:37 PM
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4. Uh-oh.... ex gay Jews at Camp Hillary
pass the popcorn.... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:31 AM
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5. I guess it is ok for hillary to do it....
:)
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:52 AM
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7. This is from 2003
It doesn't change the story but you could have indicated this was a 4-1/2 year old story. Me thinks you were being deliberately deceptive. The first clue is they are speaking of the upcoming high holy days which are in the Fall.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:09 PM
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8. Sorry about that, wasn't really checking for expiration dates
:)

See my reply #2 above
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:21 PM
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9. Cool an example of Obama supporter's outright distortion
This was a panel that happened this summer, the Torah presentation was in 2003. I doubt Hillary is even aware of it. It was a panel discussion that involved a few dozen people in attendance that is reported in the org's newsletter

Obama was well aware of McClurkin's views, gave him a stage anyway and McClurkin repeated his views to a raptured crowd.
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