PRESENT!

[Proud2BAmurkin]

(According to Obama, this is a meaningful post and I just took a stand on something.)

[tekisui]

1. get bent.

[HughMoran]

2. PAST

[HughMoran]

3. FUTURE

:D

[durtee librul]

4. What? No technical difficulties???? n/t

[journalist3072]

10. ROFL!!!!!!! eom

[WillTheGoober]

5. It's a legal matter ... a legal matter!

haha ... "Present!"

[polichick]

6. Oh, you just don't understand how things work in Illinois...

:sarcasm:

[Unsane]

7. Getting desperate? Your girl got beat bad tonight....

[AndyA]

8. Just say Rezko.

It's all you really need to know. ;)

[Tennessee Gal]

9. ROFL!

:rofl:


:rofl:

[bunnies]

11. You make this site suck. I hope youre pleased with yourself. nt

[Tennessee Gal]

13. Grow up.

It was a funny post.

[bunnies]

26. Funny?

Thats just as fucked up. What a bizarre place this has become. If you can look at this "persons" posts and think theyre "funny"... then I know for certain no meaningful conversation can be had with you.

[Rockholm]

34. Hop on over to some Obama-land nicey nice land.

[bunnies]

38. hmmm.

I have some advice for you as well. But I cant, in good conscience, share it.

[durrrty libby]

40. The OP is fine..You on the otherhand ...not so much

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Proud2B destroying all semblance of civility on DU

Oh wait. Here come the "tough" ones to tell me to "stop whining" and get used to "bare knuckle" politics!

[bunnies]

42. exact;ly.

until the thread is against their candidate. :eyes: Then its all "right wing talking points" :banghead:

[Bluebear]

45. BAM!

[Occam Bandage]

22. Agreed.

[durrrty libby]

24. Stop whining. Put him on ignore or don't open his threads

Sheeesh...

[bunnies]

32. Why?

Then Id miss seeing who sticks up for this kind of bullshit.

[alcibiades_mystery]

36. Or, option 3: call bullshit on bullshit

:shrug:

[durrrty libby]

28. Don't open his threads or put him on ignore. Simple

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. THIRD Flamebait Original Post of the HOUR

Proud2B is clocking them in twenty minutes or less! A remarkable performance!

How many in a day? How does Proud2B's post contribute to our public discourse? Gutter trash on the twenty minute loop.

[chascarrillo]

15. Duplicate.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Quadruplicate, more like it

:-)

[Catchawave]

17. LOL...we've got to knock off the DU DEBATE DRINKING game....or

we'll all be alcoholics by Election Day :toast:

[LSK]

18. PRESENT

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll608.xml

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344

Sometimes PRESENT is appropriate.

[itsrobert]

19. Edwards scored big on that n/t

n/t

[LSK]

29. I do not think he should have gone there n/t

[Occam Bandage]

20. Did Planned Parenthood suggest you post that?

[sunonmars]

21. That is so going to hurt him, the "present" thing

[Seabiscuit]

23. hahahahaha .. o.k. good one. nt

[Windy]

25. Hey, uninformed ignorant spammer, get some information so you don't sound like a moron!!

http://thecapitolfaxblog.com/2007/12/04/about-those-present-votes/

(not that facts matters to you because if Hillary took a gun and shot someone in cold blood I truly believe that you would find a way to spin it to make it wonderful...tell me, does her crap smell like roses? )

About those “Present” votes *** Updated x3 ***

Tuesday, Dec 4, 2007

* The Tribune had this bit today on Hillary Clinton’s latest attack on Barack Obama…

also raised a new front on the issue of Obama’s use of “present” votes — rather than “yes” and “no” votes — on legislation when he was in the Illinois Senate, including on measures that dealt with Republican-led efforts to restrict abortion rights. <…>

Obama has defended his “present” votes on abortion-related bills in the Illinois legislature, contending it was part of a strategy fashioned with abortion-rights advocates to help give some Illinois Senate Democrats political cover and to avoid looking harsh by casting “no” votes that would create a re-election risk.

But the Tribune earlier this year found few lawmakers remembered such a strategy and many of those who joined with Obama to vote present were, like him, in politically safe districts.

* Maybe only a few members the Tribune contacted remember this ploy, but I do. It was specifically designed by Planned Parenthood to counter Republican Senate President Pate Philip’s barrage of hot-button abortion bills that he was continually trying to ram through the Senate in 2001 and 2002. The Tribune missed the point - and by not contacting the groups involved, flubbed the story.

Besides passing bills he supported, Pate’s idea was to cause a controversy by splitting “moderate” Democrats away from the abortion rights groups, thereby causing a rift on that side, and, more imporantly, to put some political targets on the hot seat. So, as they also did in the House a few years back, Planned Parenthood was encouraging “Present” votes by some of their more loyal members in order to encourage the moderates to vote that way as well.

* For instance, Senate Bill 1661, introduced in 2002, would have created the “Induced Birth Infant Liability Act.”

Provides that, if a child is born alive after an induced labor abortion or other abortion, a parent of the child or the public guardian may maintain an action on the child’s behalf for damages…

The bill passed with 31 votes, but it received 11 Present votes. Among those voting “P” were Republican Senators Christine Radogno and Adeline Geo-Karis. Moderate Democrats voting “P” were Molaro and Viverito. Sen. Pat Welch, a perennial political target who was finally defeated in 2004, also voted Present.

A companion bill, SB 1662, was also hugely controversial at the time…

Defines “born-alive infant” to include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

The roll call on that proposal was pretty much the same as the other one.

* Was the strategy a success? Planned Parenthood claims it was, but the bills still passed the Senate and not all politically vulnerable people stuck to the program. Sen. Debbie Halvorson voted “No” on both of those bills in 2002, when she was up for reelection, but voted “Present” the year before on pretty much the same legislation, SB 1094 and SB 1095

* Pam Sutherland of Planned Parenthood said today that Pate Philip “couldn’t use those votes against the moderates or against pro-choice people.” Sutherland also slammed Clinton. “Having come from Illinois, she doesn’t understand Illinois politics.” And Sutherland had this to say in today’s Sun-Times…

“The poor guy is getting all this heat for a strategy we, the pro-choice community, did,” said Pam Sutherland, president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council.

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. They don't want to know the complex machinery of government...they want their team to win

These people call themselves "Democrats."

The last thing they want is democracy. They want their "Leader."

[TankLV]

43. It's really very simple: He's trying to skate and have it both ways...

all the while criticizing others for their votes...

The choices are "Yes" and "No" also.

If it's a bad law - vcte "NO"!!!!

if it's a good law - vote "YES"!!!

How much simpler can it be?!?!

you spinners are really amazing...

[GalleryGod]

27. It shows one's UNeducation of State House politics. In N.J....

where I worked for some years..."PRESENT" is a "middle road" vote when a bill is destined to "go back to committee" for future amendments.

Hand in your Blue Books when you're done.




My class is still in "drop + add" period.

[joshcryer]

30. PRESENT!

LOL, most hilarious post in GD:P I've seen.

[Rockholm]

31. PRESENT.

[krabigirl]

33. lol

[CyberPieHole]

37. Obama has lost whatever chance he had to win the nomination...

he came off as angry and divisive...not the uniter that he preaches he is.

:kick: and recommend

[smalll]

39. Hope! Change! The Audacity of Abstention!

Young legs good; old legs bad. etc. etc. etc.

[TankLV]

41. Boy - Hillary and Edwards NAILED obama on that one - NAILED him...

stick a fork in him - he's DONE...

[TankLV]

44. PRESENT!!!

If Obama is the nominee - that's the way I'll vote - I'm SURE all the obamabots will UNDERSTAND - in fact - I BET MY LIFE ON IT based on reading their convoluted "understandint" of the "way things work"...