The Clintons are screaming about Obama's inexperience, yet consider

[ProSense]

the questionable tactics they've had to resort to.

Clinton on Obama 'fairy tale'

Bill Clinton paints Obama as 'establishment' candidate

Complaining about media coverage

by kos
Tue Jan 08, 2008

I see Clinton's surrogates complaining about the unfairness of the media coverage, about how Obama is getting a free pass.

Does this sort of whining ever work? It sure didn't in 2004 as us Deaniacs complained about the governor's shitty media coverage. It looks particularly petty for a former president of the United States to join the whining.

And come on, the Clinton campaign has had surrogates like Begala and Carville embedded in the punditry promoting her campaign from within! Who else had such advantages?

Regardless, the media is unfair. I think we can stipulate that without argument. It sucks. But the Clintons have had every advantage in the world -- just about the entire party establishment. The fact that $100 million, the best campaign team in the (Democratic Party) universe, the bulk of the party establishment, well-placed pundit allies, and a fragmented field haven't been enough to put this thing away for Hillary points to her flaws as a candidate.

It's not the media's fault that people are sick of the Clinton machine and want change. The only reason she has even been competitive is that the "change" forces never coalesced around a single candidate. But even in a fragmented field, Hillary is in serious trouble. God help her if she only faced a single serious candidate. She'd be crushed.

Whining about the media doesn't change that cold, stark reality.

More on the Clinton machine

Despite it all Obama stands tall:

[stellanoir]

1. ummmmm

I found it most disturbing that both the Clintons

misrepresented Obama's words about Rebup's and ideas.

He said they had been "the party of ideas."

Both Clintons interjected the word "good" before the word "ideas."

That was not at all cool.

[DJ13]

2. The Clinton campaign has made a serious tactical error in using experience against Obama

Suppose it works, she beats the "inexperienced" Obama and goes on to the GE, then has to face a crusty old politician named McCain.

Then who is "inexperienced"?

[MH1]

4. I had the same thought today

as I was driving back from a local dem meeting.

Yeah, that's going to be a problem.

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3. Kick! n/t

[hedgehog]

5. LOL - "experience" and "well oiled political machine" don't mean

much when you can't figure out that most of the delegates aren't awarded on an at-large basis. Obama ran a state-wide campaign and he was properly rewarded for his efforts.

[still_one]

6. The turth is, it is about Iraq. In my view Hillary's past judgement on Iraq was not good

I base that on her voting record and actions.

Both Obama and Clinton have issues concerning their positions on Iraq, personally I think Hillary's position is weaker.

In May Hillary told the Wasthington Post that she is opposed both to a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq and to an open-ended commitment.

WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/clinton_vs_obama_on_iraq.html

[tokenlib]

7. We need to talk about Hillary's experience!!

I want her to elaborate on what she really learned from her well intended efforts on health care reform..

[madrchsod]

9. you`ll have to wait a long time for that

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8. Kick! n/t

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10. Kick! n/t

[newspeak]

11. I don't understand why experience

is being touted now--hell, look who is in the WH? How much experience do you think he had when he became the pResident? Where was the media then asking about experience? I guess it didn't really matter then, huh? I'm just laughing out loud that the media NOW wants us to be concerned about experience--absolutely unbelievable.:rofl:

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12. Kick! n/t

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13. More

deception from Hillary's campaign

[bartholomewjohn]

14. I dislike threads with tons of links instead of discussion

Can't we just summarize what those link say in a few words or paragraphs here?

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15. Kick! n/t