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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:46 PM
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Will Hillary supporters have a problem doing a 180 if Obama wins? I won't.
I won't be an enthusiastic supporter because I think he'll be destroyed within the first week and not get above 35% in the polls through November unless the PUKES pick Huckabee so why invest time or money

But I'll support Obama over any RePUKE no problem. Falling in love with politicians is dumb especially when our top three are all ideological Clintonites.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:48 PM
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1. I'll prepare for defeat in Nov. if that's the case
Obama would get taken apart if he was the candidate.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:55 PM
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7. Only if you let them take him apart. He would be your candidate
Support the will of the people or get out now.

There is no more "dirt" on Obama than what you've seen. However, you cannot propagandize those that will seek the truth.

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Bok_Tukalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:55 PM
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8. How?
If the nation is determined to change direction, we will. Which candidate from the Republican Party is going to do that?

This race belongs to the Democrats, in my opinion. Maybe Clinton can overcome the dynasty and the negatives to pull out Ohio and hang on to Pennsylvania and squeak out an electoral victory but that is a gamble on down ballot in the Legislative Branch in the South and the West.

Obama would be 300 plus and no one gets hurt. Hard to ride the wave of change when you are just swapping dynasties.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:48 PM
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2. nah, I was a Deaniac and in the end voted a straight Dem ticket
There will be hurt feelings (and in my case justified since Kerry couldn't win) but it was him or 4 more years of moron which happened anyway.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:51 PM
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3. I'll vote for him
but spend my time and $$$ on the House and Senate races here in NM instead. we're gonna have some barn burners with Dominici's seat coming open and two of our Repuke congresscritters both running for his seat. we have a chance to pick up a Senate seat and TWO congressional seats

big fun! :bounce:

if HRC wins, I'll have to put some effort into her campaign, she'll need a boost around here. BHO doesn't stand a chance in NM IMO
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:51 PM
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4. You are the last person here to start the sucking up for Clinton after your shameful comments.
You redefine insincerity.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:53 PM
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5. I won't have to do a 180
I like Obama just fine. I prefer Clinton.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:54 PM
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6. If it's McCain v. Obama...
then prepare for another 4 years of Republicans in the WH.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:58 PM
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10. I'm Afraid I Agree n/t
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:58 PM
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9. Nah, I'll have a 45 at most to pivot. No sweat.
I'll be there for him if that happens. I honestly don't think he would be our strongest candidate but I seem to think more highly of his chances than you do. No matter, we have to get the Republicans out of the White House even if Gravel pulls an upset (which part of me would rather love to be honest).
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:07 PM
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11. Kicking this up so your insincerity can be spot lit.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:24 PM
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12. I'm sorry...but if Obama is the nominee, I won't be able to support him. I don't like the way he's
run his campaign. I'm just extremely disappointed in him, and don't believe I can support him.

Here's some of the reasons why:

- I think he's been disingenuous, and that's putting it mildly. He's tried to have it both ways. On the one hand, he's claimed to be a change agent, and has said almost ad nauseum that he doesn't want to "re-fight the battles of the 90's." Yet, he's tried to lay claim to Bill Clinton's mantle. In fact, in preparation for one of the debates last year, the Obama camp studied Bill Clinton's debate tapes from the 1992 campaign:

From an MSNBC article:

As Sen. Barack Obama prepared for Tuesday night’s crucial NBC debate in Philadelphia, his high command back in Chicago was watching a lot of old Clinton videotape — not of Hillary Clinton, but of Bill, and not of Bill as president, but of Bill as a fresh-faced candidate of 46 (which happens to be Obama’s age) in 1991 and 1992.

“You know, I look at Clinton back then, and I find a lot I agree with,” said David Axelrod, Obama’s media adviser. “He said things Barack is saying now.”

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21536415 /

Then, there's also the issue of Obama bragging about the number of people from the Clinton administration who have endorsed his candidacy:

From an Associated Press article:

Barack Obama suggested Friday that he has more foreign policy experts from the Clinton administration backing his candidacy over Hillary Rodham Clinton's, but lists provided by both campaigns show hers is nearly twice as long.

Clinton's campaign provided more than 80 names of her husband's former foreign policy advisers who are publicly backing her, while Obama's campaign provided 47.

Asked how Obama backs up the claim of greater support, campaign spokesman Bill Burton said the senator was referring to an article that ran in The New York Times Magazine last month, which quoted an anonymous foreign policy expert saying most of the community was backing Obama.

Obama's comment, at a campaign stop with just 13 days until Iowa's presidential caucus, came in response to a questioner who asked him to compare his foreign policy vision with the former first lady's.

"In fact, you could argue that there are more foreign policy experts from the Clinton administration supporting me than Senator Clinton," Obama said. He added that "should raise some pretty interesting questions."


So, my main question to Obama is: which is it? Either you are a change agent who doesn't want to "re-fight the battles of the 90s," OR, you are going to continue to be someone who studies Bill Clinton's debate tapes from '92, and brag about how many people in his Administration support you over his wife.


- I also see an arrogance coming up in Obama that I do not like. He has been coming off as very ungracious. It spoke volumes to me when, during that debate in New Hampshire, he held his head down and said to Sen. Clinton "You're likable enough." I was like, WTF? It's almost like saying 'I only tolerate you becaue I have to.' I think it just spoke volumes about him and how ungracious and ungentlemanly he can be.

- As an African-American woman, I'm disappointed in how he has conducted himself as the first viable African-American candidate for President. He, and some who support him, have basically suggested that we in the African-American community simply get behind him becaue he's African-American. For example, when he was on Tavis Smiley's radio program, Tavis Smiley asked Obama about the notion that some apparently have, that if we in the A-A community supported Obama like we supported Jesse Jackson, then Sen. Clinton would have to pack her bags and go home. Obama responded by saying "There's no doubt that if we consolidate the Black vote, this would be a different race." What? CONSOLIDATE the Black vote? I thought the proper response would have been for him to say he doesn't want anyone supporting him just because he's A-A. Then, there was Michelle Obama's comment that she believes "Black America will wake up and get it".....meaning, those of us in the A-A community who don't support her husband, don't "get it." I could go on and on.

- There's also the matter of his vote in favor of reporting Condi Rice's nomination as SoS out of committee, and sending it to the full Senate.


Maybe he'll do something to change my mind, but as of this point, if he is the nominee, I will not be able to do a 180 and support him.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 05:45 PM
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13. As a Clinton supporter I will vote for the dem candidate
but I don't have to pretend to like Obama to recognize he is probably not as bad as the repuke who will be running.
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