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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:26 PM
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Could Bloomberg win the election as a third party candidate?
Bloomberg actually seems to be to the left of Hillary and Obama on some issues.

What do you guys think?

I know you all want a dem to win, so do I, but read this and tell me if you think he would attract voters or not

here's some info from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Bloomberg

Social issues
On the major issue of abortion, Bloomberg is considered pro-choice. He supports abortion rights, stating: "Reproductive choice is a fundamental human right and we can never take it for granted, on this issue, you're either with us or against us." He has criticized pro-choice politicians who support pro-life candidates.

Bloomberg tends to be liberal about his policies towards many social issues; for instance, Bloomberg supports governmental funding for stem cell research, calling the Republican position on the issue "insanity,"<25> while also supporting same-sex marriage with the rationale that “I think anybody should be allowed to marry anybody" <26>

However, he continues to support the strict drug laws that have been established in New York City and enforced by the New York Police Department (NYPD), despite having admitted to smoking marijuana in the past and " it."<27>


Domestic issues
On crime, the decline in New York criminal activity that began before Rudy Giuliani's tenure has continued. Bloomberg however is against the death penalty, stating, "I'd rather lock somebody up and throw away the key and put them in hard labor, the ultimate penalty that the law will allow, but I'm opposed to the death penalty."<28>

In addition to his anti-crime work, Bloomberg is an avid supporter of gun control stating, "I don't know why people carry guns. Guns kill people." As mayor he increased the mandatory minimum sentence for illegal possession of a loaded handgun. In regard to the change, Bloomberg commented, "Illegal guns don't belong on our streets and we're sending that message loud and clear, we're determined to see that gun dealers who break the law are held accountable, and that criminals who carry illegal loaded guns serve serious time behind bars."<28> Bloomberg formed Mayors Against Illegal Guns in May 2007, an organization made up of 210 mayors who are supportive of gun control.<29>

Bloomberg has also shown involvement in education reform as mayor, replacing the school board set up by the state with direct mayoral control over public education. He raised the salaries of teachers by 15% while the test scores of students in the city and the graduation rate rose as well. Bloomberg is opposed to the promotion of students to the next grade level for strictly social reasons citing that students should only be promoted when they are adequately prepared for the next grade level. He favors after-school programs to help students that are behind. As mayor, Bloomberg strengthened the cell-phone ban in schools.<30>

In dealing with global warming and New York's role in it, he has enacted a plan called "PlaNYC: A Greener, Greater New York" to fight global warming, protect the environment and prepare New York for the projected 1 million more people expected to be living in the city by the year 2030.<31> Bloomberg has also been involved in motivating other cities to make changes, delivering the keynote address at the C40 Large Cities Climate Summit and stating, "e now know beyond a doubt that global warming is a reality. And the question we must all answer is, “What are we going to do about it?" Bloomberg also talked about how he would go about fighting climate change by reducing carbon dioxide emissions, using cleaner and more efficient fuels, and encouraging public transportation.<32>

On issues of domestic and homeland security, Bloomberg has attacked social conservatives on immigrationcalling their stance unrealistic, "We're not going to deport 12 million people, so let's stop this fiction. Let's give them permanent status."<33> He supports a federal ID database that uses DNA and fingerprint technology to keep track of all citizens and to verify their legal status.<34> Bloomberg believes that illegal immigrants should be offered citizenshipand supports the congressional efforts of John McCain and Ted Kennedy in immigration reform. Regarding border security, Bloomberg compared it to the tide, stating, "It’s as if we expect border control agents to do what a century of communism could not: defeat the natural market forces of supply and demand... and defeat the natural human desire for freedom and opportunity. You might as well as sit in your beach chair and tell the tide not to come in. As long as America remains a nation dedicated to the proposition that "all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness," people from near and far will continue to seek entry into our country.:<35>

Bloomberg believes that the September 11, 2001 attacks were not intended to be solitary events. When he assumed office, he set up a Counterterrorism Bureau which works along with the NYPD intelligence division to gather information about terrorism affecting New York worldwide. He feels that funding for Homeland Security by the federal government should be distributed by risk, where cities that are considered to have the highest threat for a terrorist attack would get the most money.<36> Bloomberg is also a supporter of the USA PATRIOT Act. <37>


Economic issues
Michael Bloomberg characterizes himself as a fiscal conservative for turning the city's $6 billion deficit into a $3 billion surplus; however, the conservative PAC Club for Growth has criticized him because he increased property taxes and spending while doing so.<23>

Being a fiscal conservative is not about slashing programs that help the poor, or improve health care, or ensure a social safety net. It's about insisting services are provided efficiently, get to only the people that need them, and achieve the desired results. Fiscal conservatives have hearts too - but we also insist on using our brains, and that means demanding results and holding government accountable for producing them.

To me, fiscal conservatism means balancing budgets - not running deficits that the next generation can't afford. It means improving the efficiency of delivering services by finding innovative ways to do more with less. It means cutting taxes when possible and prudent to do so, raising them overall only when necessary to balance the budget, and only in combination with spending cuts. It means when you run a surplus, you save it; you don't squander it. And most importantly, being a fiscal conservative means preparing for the inevitable economic downturns - and by all indications, we've got one coming.

—Michael Bloomberg, speech to UK Conservative Party, September 30, 2007<22>
Bloomberg has expressed a distaste of taxes, stating, "Taxes are not good things, but if you want services, somebody's got to pay for them, so they're a necessary evil." <38> As mayor, he did raise property taxes to fund budget projects; however, in January 2007 he proposed cuts in property taxes by 5% and cuts in sales taxes including the elimination of taxes on clothing and footwear. Bloomberg pointed to the Wall Street profits and the real estate market as evidence that the city's economy is booming and could handle a tax break.<39>

His self-described fiscal conservatism also led him to eliminate the existing $6 billion deficit when he assumed office. He balanced the budget of New York City by raising property taxes and making cuts to city agencies, excluding the police and fire departments. <40>

As a businessman, Bloomberg is respected by the business community and governs with a pro-business platform. He is in favor of providing tax breaks to big corporations for the good of the whole community. As mayor, Bloomberg lobbied to the CEO of Goldman Sachs to establish their headquarters across from Ground zero by promising $1.65 billion in tax breaks. Regarding this deal, Bloomberg stated, "This is where the best want to live and work. So I told him , 'We can help with minimizing taxes. Minimizing your rent. Improving security. But in the end, this is about people.'" <41>

He has had a less cordial relationship with unions as mayor. In 2002, when New York City's transit workers threatened to strike, Bloomberg responded by riding a mountain bike through the city to show how the city could deal with the transit strike by finding alternate means of transportation and not pandering to the unions.<42>

Bloomberg is a staunch advocate of free trade and is strongly opposed to protectionism, stating, "The things that we have to worry about is this protectionist movement that has reared its head again in this country...." He worries about the growth of China and fears the lessening gap between the United States and other countries: "The rest of the world is catching up, and, there are people that say, surpassing us. I hope they are wrong. I hope those who think we are still in good shape are right. But nevertheless, the time to address these issues is right now." <43>

More liberally, Bloomberg puts a strong emphasis on public health and welfare, adopting many liberal policies. As the mayor he made HIV, diabetes, and hypertension all top priorities. He extended the city's smoking ban to all commercial establishments and implemented a trans fat ban in restaurants. <44> He also launched a program called Opportunity NYC which is the nation's first-ever conditional cash transfer pilot program designed to help New Yorkers break the cycle of poverty in the city. He instituted a $7.5 billion municipal affordable housing plan, the largest in the nation, that is supposed to provide 500,000 New Yorkers with housing. <45>

Bloomberg is concerned about poverty and growing class divisions stating, "This society cannot go forward, the way we have been going forward, where the gap between the rich and the poor keeps growing." <46>


Foreign policy
As mayor, Bloomberg has made trips to Mexico, England, Ireland, and Israel in the first four months of 2007.<47> In late 2007 he conducted an Asia trip that brought him to China, where he called for greater freedom of information to promote innovation. He also attended the United Nations Climate Conference in Bali.

Initially, Bloomberg strongly supported the war in Iraq and the rationale for going in. He stated, "Don't forget that the war started not very many blocks from here" alluding to Ground Zero. In regard to the global War on Terrorism including Iraq he said, "It's not only to protect Americans. It's America's responsibility to protect people around the world who want to be free." His enthusiasm seems to have lessened somewhat over the course of the war. In August of 2005 he said, "I think everybody has very mixed emotions about the war that was started to find weapons of mass destruction and then they were not found." <48> Bloomberg expresses criticism about Democrats in Congress who want to set a timetable for withdraw from Iraq calling them, "irresponsible." <49>

Mayor Bloomberg has recruited some top foreign policy experts to advise him on international issues of general interest.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:28 PM
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1. Maybe. If HRC is the nominee, *I'D* give him a serious look-see. (NT)
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:58 PM by Tesha
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:30 PM
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4. same here
I'm a New Yorker and he did a great job with the city, much better than Guiliani and that can't be ignored. If he runs, I'll look at him if Hillary is the nom, and if they (Billary) keeps turning me off due to their dirty politics then I might vote for him.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:31 PM
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7. Me too. I lived through 8 years of Clinton stuff already ...don't want any more
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. I've lived 6 years with Bloomberg's BS - you're welcome to him - your city, your state
Take my mayor, please!
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:47 PM
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32. Haha, lol, well that's interesting
do you know if NewYork has approval ratings for their mayor, I wonder what his approval rating would be? Do you know? Do a lot of people hate him there?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:49 PM
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37. we love him. he's got a 70-75% approval rating here. sorry for butting in. : )...
i love(d) him as mayor, until the dna thing. but that was only a couple of days ago, so i'll probably calm down soon, but i won't ever love him as much as i have. :(.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:52 PM
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39. Pollsters and media - owned by him...
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. no, b/c the same people had him at 34% after the smoking ban...
and in the low 30's at several other times in his term. took him a long time to break the 50's.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:23 AM
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83. The "people" were... NY Post - that sometimes jabs him. Smoke and mirrors.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 AM by robbedvoter
Polls are easy to concoct - look at these elections!
I am betting majority of responders would say "mayor who?" It's only inertia (+ Sharpton's treason in 2001) that got him there.
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:52 PM
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65. If you think Clinton's behavior turned him into a national joke...
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:57 PM by Konza
Wait till you hear what is out there on Bloomy.
Numerous scandals, the kinda shit Bill would be ashamed to admit.
(Ok, maybe that's a stretch, but...)
Plus Da Mayor has sexual harrassment issues in his corporation.
I know, we decided in the 90s sexual harassment doesn't matter anymore, but still, there are several cases against him.

Then there is the racial stuff. Not promoting African Americans, lawsuits out the wazoo.
A quick perusal of the Village Voice in the last decade will give you an intro to the Republican ads for fall.
For example:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0544,barrett1,69548,5.html

I have no idea what role he will play in the election. he has pretty much said he will run if Hillary is the nominee. Not sure why he hates Hillary enough to spend 300 million bucks for spite, but who knows.

My worst nightmare of an election: Hillary-Bloomy-Huckabee. That's will be some nasty business...
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:30 PM
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5. allow me to help you out...
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:35 PM by annie1
:D

during his recent state of the union he advocated expanding dna collection for at people convicted of even non-violent misdeamoners and possibly even just arrested. *shudder*

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/bloombergs-plan-tax-cut-dna-tests-and-an-end-to-social-promotion/index.html?hp&scp=5&sq=bloomberg
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:35 PM
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11. what's wrong with that exactly? in terms of drawing votes
I personally don't really see a problem with that, should I?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:37 PM
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13. oh :O. so if you protest something or get caught with a joint, and they arrest you and...
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:41 PM by annie1
put your dna on file you have no problem with that? huh. i do. just a little bit too gattica for me. i don't want the government taking, analyzing and filing my genetic code without my permission.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:43 PM
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25. you'd catch more rapists, murderers, right?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:44 PM
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26. but especially anti-war protesters
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. sure. you'd catch even more if you coded every person on the street...
tapped everyone's phone and followed everyone around too. still a no go for me.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:05 PM
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49. I'm sure he would drop that if he ran
He's not beholden to party lines, he's more likely to support whatever the majority of Americans support.

I'm starting to think maybe a third party candidate is the only possibility we have of having a true democracy again!
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. too late, you can't just pretend you didn't give your state of the union...
a few weeks ago. :D. and he lobbied the state for it 2 years ago. but other than that, i really do like him.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:43 PM
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24. those arrested at political protests - cuz video, apying ain't enough
"to expand DNA testing to cover all convicted felons and people convicted of certain misdemeanors, but persuading Albany to expand the program to include everyone arrested — even those detained at nonviolent political protests, for example "
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:45 PM
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30. Ok regardless of our personal opinions, are you saying that
this could cost him democratic votes? Also do you think this could be a problem for independants? And, do you think that this would ensure some lite-Republicans support?


The fact is there are a lot of Americans that wouldn't care about this, A LOT!
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. oh, i meant for the person who said they might vote for him. :D
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:48 PM
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34. and yes, i believe it would cost him many democratic votes...
i actually used to LOVE mb as my mayor, until a few days ago when i saw this. really disturbed me. :(
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:57 PM
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42. And HRC voted for the USA-PATRIOT Acts parts I and II. So she's no civil liberties joy either. (NT)
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:03 PM
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47. yeah, that's true, but pretty much everyone and their mother voted for it...
i'm not crazy about it, but i feel like they were desperate and since, what 99/100 voted for it, i feel ok with it.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #47
101. But we don't need "desperate" politicians; we need strong politicians.
Running to duck and cover under Bush's skirts was the
stupidest course of action that the Democrats could
have pursued after 9/11, but it's *EXACTLY* what nearly
all of them did.

And now Bush's skirts entrap them.

Tesha
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:14 AM
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75. It would never get thought Congress. Not a concern.
Given the two abysmal Democratic choices, I'd consider voting Independent. The Democratic Party just doesn't work anymore. Instead of focusing on winning the White House, they're more interested in making political statements. They, like the Republicans, are just ill-informed.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:30 PM
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2. Where does Bloomberg stand on ME wars? Did i miss that?
Couldn't find any reference to that... can you fill me in?
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:39 PM
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19. here it is
same source, wikipedia

Foreign policy
As mayor, Bloomberg has made trips to Mexico, England, Ireland, and Israel in the first four months of 2007.<47> In late 2007 he conducted an Asia trip that brought him to China, where he called for greater freedom of information to promote innovation. He also attended the United Nations Climate Conference in Bali.

Initially, Bloomberg strongly supported the war in Iraq and the rationale for going in. He stated, "Don't forget that the war started not very many blocks from here" alluding to Ground Zero. In regard to the global War on Terrorism including Iraq he said, "It's not only to protect Americans. It's America's responsibility to protect people around the world who want to be free." His enthusiasm seems to have lessened somewhat over the course of the war. In August of 2005 he said, "I think everybody has very mixed emotions about the war that was started to find weapons of mass destruction and then they were not found." <48> Bloomberg expresses criticism about Democrats in Congress who want to set a timetable for withdraw from Iraq calling them, "irresponsible." <49>

Mayor Bloomberg has recruited some top foreign policy experts to advise him on international issues of general interest.

I think though if he ran he would support withdrawal, considering that's what most Americans want and he's a centrist. In fact that might gain him Republicans that otherwise would've voted democrat to get their sons/daughters back home, imo.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #2
20. here it is
same source, wikipedia

Foreign policy
As mayor, Bloomberg has made trips to Mexico, England, Ireland, and Israel in the first four months of 2007.<47> In late 2007 he conducted an Asia trip that brought him to China, where he called for greater freedom of information to promote innovation. He also attended the United Nations Climate Conference in Bali.

Initially, Bloomberg strongly supported the war in Iraq and the rationale for going in. He stated, "Don't forget that the war started not very many blocks from here" alluding to Ground Zero. In regard to the global War on Terrorism including Iraq he said, "It's not only to protect Americans. It's America's responsibility to protect people around the world who want to be free." His enthusiasm seems to have lessened somewhat over the course of the war. In August of 2005 he said, "I think everybody has very mixed emotions about the war that was started to find weapons of mass destruction and then they were not found." <48> Bloomberg expresses criticism about Democrats in Congress who want to set a timetable for withdraw from Iraq calling them, "irresponsible." <49>

Mayor Bloomberg has recruited some top foreign policy experts to advise him on international issues of general interest.

I think though if he ran he would support withdrawal, considering that's what most Americans want and he's a centrist. In fact that might gain him Republicans that otherwise would've voted democrat to get their sons/daughters back home, imo.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #20
99. The Democrats calling for *withdrawal* are "irresponsible."
>>>Bloomberg expresses criticism about Democrats in Congress who want to set a timetable for withdraw from Iraq calling them, "irresponsible." <49>>>>

Bloomberg is not irresponsible for cheerleading the single worst foreign policy decision in my lifetime... and possibly EVER.... but the DEMS in congress trying to end it are "irresponsible".

And there are people on this board who will vote for this jerk.

Un. Be. Lievable.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:09 AM
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72. Bigtime cheerleader for Iraq war. Thought it was *great*.
Badmouthed and harrassed anitiwar demonstrators and tried to stop demos altogether by refusing permits.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #72
76. I thought as much
since the response i got above was so milk-toast and less than clear.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:46 AM
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91. That would help him with the Independants that seem to go for McCain nt
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:30 PM
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3. Absolutely NOT! The only think he would do is split the Dem vote!
Isn't THAT just GREAT? That's the way Clinton won in 2000, by Perot splitting the Pub vote. That's all we need in 09!
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:59 PM
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43. But that wouldn't be bad if you are an independant or lite-republican
that didn't want Hillary or whoever the Republicans nominate.

I think if he split both parties and carried the independants he could win.

I think there are a lot of Republicans and Liberals and Independants that wouldn't mind his centrist positions,

actually, I personally don't mind his centrist positions, and I consider myself liberal.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:31 PM
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6. Only if a few hundred thousands voters (and no more) show up - nationally
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:33 PM by robbedvoter
It's about what he can buy...
He is so "left" he invited RNC in our city, spied on the protesters, denied us the use of the park, illegally arrested many - other than that - a peach!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:32 PM
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8. No.
I do not think so. But he could hurt the democratic nominee.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:32 PM
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9. No third party candidate has won yet
I don't see what's magical about him.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:03 PM
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46. but that's not a logical argument nt
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:34 PM
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10. He wouldn't even win NYC - if people would bother to vote - lowest turnout
in history - both times he "won" (spent about $100 per vote)
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:39 PM
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18. I beg to differ
People have grown to love Bloomberg in NYC, there was a time he wasn't as popular, but he certainly is today. I've spoken to alot of my NYC democrat friends and they all said they can't stand Hillary but would vote for Bloomberg, that says alot to me. Hillary would probably win NY most definitely, but alot of ppl would pay attention to Bloomberg, he did more for NY than Hillary did.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:47 PM
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33. Your friends surely were not present the past 2 elections - have you checked turnouts?
Bloomberg owns media so he has better PR than Bush . people who refuse to pay attention to local politics may be blind to what he's doing, but your friends are hardly the NYC voters (just wait to see Hillary's numbers on Super Tuesday - then compare them with the less that half a million that showed up to vote your pal)
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:54 PM
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40. hm.
I'm sorry what media does he own besides bloomberg tv which I don't watch? Plenty of local newspapers have criticized Bloomberg in the past so I don't really buy that he owns all of the media. What did he do that people in NY might be blind to out of curiousity? I only know what I see in NYC, and it is more safe, booming, clean than it was in the past when Dinkins/Giuliani was mayor. I already said that HRC will probably win NY, but ppl will give Bloomberg a serious look.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:38 PM
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14. Bloomberg/Obama ticket would be unbeatable
All Democrats have to do is nominate HRC and, it will be on.

Bookmark this post.
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:39 PM
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16. ...but the Republicans would win because of the split vote.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:39 PM by water
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:49 PM
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36. no they wouldn't
the independents as well as the disaffected democrats & republicans (and there are scores on both sides) will support the ticket. It's true that no independent has ever won, but this truly a " change " election that the middle of America will embrace no matter what the machines try to do.

It will take only 1/3 of the dis affected R's & D's plus 70% of the Indys to win the election. And in case you're wondering, that 90% black vote for D's will not exist.

An Independent can win in this environment.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:12 PM
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56. wow, yeah, exactly!
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:12 PM by gdaerin
on edit: I wonder what Bloomberg's stance on healthcare will be, does anybody know?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:49 PM
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35. A true Reagangasm! (beating pun intended)
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water Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:38 PM
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15. He would split the Democratic vote.
Republicans view him as a traitor, and if MB ran, it would result on another four years of Republican rule. :(
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Lebam in LA Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:39 PM
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17. NO
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:41 PM
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21. It depends on who else runs
Clinton v. Romney means that Bloomberg has a shot

Obama v. McCain leaves no room for Bloomberg
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:42 PM
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22. Ok, I notice there are some immediate knee-jerk judgements on this
that's not surprising, but I think from what I've read, he could have a Really good chance!

I mean, I'd vote for him.
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:43 PM
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23. No
He doesn't stand a chance to win a General election.
But with that said.....I believe he could influence and shape the debate for a General election.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:44 PM
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27. He will only run if Hillary's the nominee. And against her, yes, he could win...
He's not beholden to any special interests and he's liberal. He's more of a change than Hillary. He won't run if Obama's the nominee 'cause he wouldn't win.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:49 PM
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38. The latest SurveyUSA poll had him doing better against Obama than Hillary
Obama lost by McCain by two and Bloomberg got an extra point or two. Hillary tied McCain.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:06 PM
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50. He won't run if Obama's the nominee. On principle. n/t
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:18 PM
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57. What principle?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:33 PM
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59. He doesn't want to be responsible for an Obama loss since he respects Obama and his message of hope
and change.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:49 PM
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62. When did he say this?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:52 PM
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64. It was reported by many "sources." And remember how they had a meeting in NY?
I'm sure that's what they discussed.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:59 PM
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66. So basically he's sending the message, nominate Obama or I'll enter, split the vote and dems lose
either to him or the republicans?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:02 AM
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68. No. He'll only run if he thinks he can win. And he really thinks he can win by taking votes from
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:02 AM by jenmito
both Hillary and the Repub.
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:03 AM
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69. I think he might get the black vote and some of the latino vote too
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:06 AM
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70. I agree. And I think HE agrees, which is why he'd run if Hillary's our nominee.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:07 AM by jenmito
(You're from NJ? So am I, now in NY.) :hi:
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:08 AM
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71. Not to mention the fact that he has like a Gazillion dollars!
II'm pretty sure I'd vote for him over Hillary and any Repug
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:10 AM
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73. Yup. Me, too. He's not beholden to any special interests or anyone else.
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 12:10 AM by jenmito
And he's liberal.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:14 AM
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74. Ooooh, if Hillary wins the Nom. I hope he runs!!!
Obviously I'll be very dissapointed if Obama doesn't get the dems nomination, but I would view it as their loss and I'll be taking my vote elsewhere!

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 AM
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79. So do I...
and so will I. And so would I. :D
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 AM
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80. It will all come around to bite her in the end.
If Bloomberg runs she can't depend on that Black or Latino vote anymore. All she will be left with is the older women.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:27 AM
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85. That's the truth.
I gotta go to bed, but I'll talk to you more tomorrow! :hi:
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:40 AM
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87. "All she will be left with is the older women"
why does that sound so Sad?!
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:18 AM
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77. Yup I can see you (NY) from my window. Less than 30 mins away
I have to ask what is NY doing for Obama? I've volunteered my time at the NJ HQ on Friday. I will do the same on Sunday. Did you hear about the straw poll held in Montclair recently? http://www.montclairtimes.com/page.php?page=16565 Obama won it. People might just be shocked about NJ come feb 5th. Oh and HRC is supposedly coming to Hackensack soon. I'm not really worried about Bergen county (which have strong Republican supporters). What the Clintons need to worry about are the cities of Newark, Passaic, Paterson, Jersey City etc. Theres alot of support for Barack in these places. Gov. Corzine won with these places.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:26 AM
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84. I'm 5 min. from NJ...in NY State...
But I moved here from Hackensack!!! I have MS and am in a wheelchair so I can't do anything much more than contribute money to his campaign and spread the word about Obama. I got my sister, brother, and brother-in-law all into Obama. I bought them Obama t-shirts which they wear and tell people about him since I give them info. about him. They both live in Central and Southern NJ and I've lived in Central, then Northern NJ until moving to Rockland County 7 years ago.
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:29 AM
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86. Send me a PM.
I'm still new here so I can't send you anything but I have something to tell you. :)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:22 PM
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104. I tried but you're not able to accept PMs yet...
do you know me? :)
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:42 AM
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100. Agree with the first part; but he is more likely to cause the Republican to win.
jmho.
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:45 PM
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29. If turnout was really really low
Yes, he could.

Something like Romney and Clinton would fit the bill. I wouldn't bet on him, but he could pull it off.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:01 PM
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44. No way
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:02 PM
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45. Ok, who would Smart Repugs pick: HRC or anti-evolution, anti-gays Huckabee?
Obviously a lot of republicans would want to ensure separation of church and state but would never vote for Hillary
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:04 PM
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48. yay, they stay home and don't pull the rest of the (R) levers. woot!
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:07 PM
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52. Hahaha, lol, (r) levers
well, I think they would vote for Bloomberg if he was in though
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:09 PM
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54. i think you're right.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:06 PM
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51. they voted for anti evolution anti gay BUSH
why would they stop now.

Bush still has high approval in thier party. Sick, I know, but true
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:09 PM
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55. hmm, good point, but . . .
I think there are republicans that don't care about the moral issues so much as financial policies, namely big business

And, Bloomberg is pro big business, right? I think that's obvious!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:22 PM
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58. If the DLC corporatist wing of the party get the nominee, many progressive will look
to protest by supporting Bloomberg. You see the right wing of the Democratic party don't want a progressive to win. They have shown in the past that they would rather let a republican win than yield to the progressive side of the party.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:51 PM
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63. That's Horrible!
The democratic party should yield to the extremes of the left just like the Republicans yield to the extremes of the right!

Well, that explains a lot though. . .
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:13 AM
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93. Tell me what are the extremes of the left? Saving the Constitution?
Reinstituting habeas corpus, ending rendition and torture, ending spying, closing down the concentration camp in Taylor TX. Tell me which of these extreme left issues you disagree with.

To date no one has answered these questions.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:18 AM
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95. What? I'm saying that the Dems Should be all about liberal policies
instead of pandering to the center, imo.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:25 AM
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97. I agree. I misread your post. nm
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:21 AM
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82. Kinda like Sharpton got us a GOP mayor because he was POd that his sock puppet lost
and wanted to pay back the opponent (who was a progressive guy). He actually told voters to stay home. Congratulations for Sharptonizing this one!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:15 AM
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94. All I ask is for a candidate to say that they will undo what Bush has done.
Has your candidate done that?
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:20 AM
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96. Has he? I don't know, I know Hillary Clinton Hasn't!
The truth is, I wanted Kucinich to get a lot further than he has . . .
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:29 PM
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105. So you'll protest the "corporate wing"...
by voting for a corporate figure like Bloomberg? Huh?!?
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:37 PM
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60. No, But He Can Split the Democrats and Throw the Race to the Repiglickins'
A Bloomberg candidacy would be this year's version of Nader 2000.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:20 AM
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81. Sounds like lots of DUers are lickin' their chops, too..
Think they'd have learned, but guess not.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:40 PM
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61. I do not know where his votes will come from.
There is just something I cannot put my finger on. The idea
of jumping in at the last minute in to a race in which he only
affects the Democrats--seems unconstitutional. The elites are
going to frazzle my nerves. Tell them to leave well enough
alone.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:02 AM
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67. No...n/t
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:19 AM
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78. NO....simple as that..no discussion needed...if blooms cannot
win new york how in the world could he win 270 electoral votes......you show me the states.......
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:41 AM
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88. huh? I asked the question! You show Me the states he wouldn't win! nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:42 AM
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89. 270 EC delegates?
no way.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:44 AM
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90. How does he win a red state? A New York Jew that wants to take away your guns.
Hard to imagine Bloomberg getting at least 34% of the vote in a red state with both a dem and repug on the ballot. All he'll do is possibly siphon off a few dem states and hand the election to the repugs. He'll split the sane vote.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:50 AM
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92. Well, not all republicans care about guns. in fact
I'm here in the heart of Texas, and I know a lot of people who vote Republican but don't own guns and I don't think they would care about gun laws,

You're right though, he would split the sane vote, Or, he might Carry it!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 08:32 AM
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98. If the economy continues to tank
Bloombers's appeal will increase. Just a thought.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:47 AM
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102. Sure, if HRC Wins the Nom. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 09:50 AM
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103. Don't know. I'd like a Democrat in the White House. Bloomberg used to be
a Democrat, but then he used to be a Republican, too.

He carries no national profile, at least not yet, into the election cycle.

I'd prefer a Democrat of much longer standing as a Democrat generally and emphatically iin the case of Bloomberg choosing Hagel as a veep nom.

Hagel has been refereshing on Iraq but after that, there's a real sharp drop-off into right-wing positions.
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