RePost. Nominating the Clintons is a bad idea!!!

[Perky]

For the life of me, I can not figure out why in the world we would want to nominate someone who is so abjectly polarizing as Hillary Clinton. Given the Republican Attack machine does anyone really think she is going to effectively move voters in swing states to secure the election in November? At best it is a crap shoot. She is despised by the right. She is the Poster Child of Polarization. Perhaps none of it is of her doing, but it is absurd to think that she can unring that bell.If Hillary is the nominee the election will not be about Iraq or the economy or about healthcare. It will be about Hillary. No thanks.

She may have vision....she may have guts...she may well be the most experienced..but that is not where voters in Middle America make their decision.


The hallmark of great presidents is that they are able to call the nation together and that nation responds affirmatively or at least the middle third. Reagan was a sixty percenter. He got things through a Tip O'Neal-led Congress. How?... by pulling in enough Dem support in the hustings to scare the Dems in office.

Nothing in Hillary's makeup or history suggest that she is either able to or even wants to do that,There is no reason the right candidate can not do the same thing again as a Democrat...But it surely will not be Hillary,

Even if she could run a Northern strategy and pick up win in November it is going to be by a slim electoral margin. The election is one or lost in the middle: its like the 162 game baseball season. we win 1/3rd we lose 1/3rd.. It all depends on what we do with the remaining third in this case the 180 electoral votes that are up for grabs. I want someone who will draw a bigger coalition against a weak GOP standard bearer rather than someone who might get just 96 electoral votes against a united energized GOP. and where is that going to leave us?

No mandate for change.
No Mandate to get us out of Iraq
No Mandate on kitchen table issues.
Four more years of the politics of personal destruction and gotcha politics.

You see it is not enough just to win. You do not have to suck up to the the GOP to get problems fixed But you do have to have swing voters solidly in your court. Not because your solutions are perfect...but because you have the ability to inspire trust that you have their interest at heart; that the issues are real and that the GOP leadership is clueless and obstructionist.

You can't do that when you are the poster child for divisive politics. Half the country simply does not trust Hillary Clinton or her judgment. The whole of the nation is crying out for change.

It is not enough that she is the most experienced or even the most "qualified". It is not enough that she would give the GOP fits with her election. However much delight we might take in that, it solves nothing. What will she be able to get accomplished if after two years of filibusters, we lose the the mid terms?

Why would we want to institutionalize the 50% formula of the last two elections? Hell the last forty years????

The Democratic Party has not had a mandate election since 1964. We have only won a majority twice since. Carter in 1976 and AL Gore in 2000


Where for the love of God tell me is the upside to having this woman be our standard bearer?

She is the epitome of a Pyrrhic candidacy. Why are some us willing to destroy the nation in order to to secure such a shallow self-serving victory????

[TwilightZone]

1. Well, lucky for us, only one of them can be nominated.

[KennedyGuy]

2. Don't tell them that..they don't know...

[MADem]

3. Well, rest easy. We aren't going to nominate "them"

We are going to nominate the individual with the most delegates at the convention, assuming that person achieves critical mass.

Why don't you try working FOR your candidate, instead of going on and on about the candidate you dislike?

[durrrty libby]

4. Blah..blah..blah.."Wellsley Lesbian"..blah..blah..blah

[Nedsdag]

5. Prepared to be flamed by the Kool-Aid drinking Hillbots.

Do you have an umbrella?

[mitchtv]

8. Hillbots, and Democrats

who object to trashy posts

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. I find that offensive.

[99th_Monkey]

6. HRC = Democratic Death-Wish In Motion.

Hillary's already compromised on just about every front (the war, health care, her & Bill's cozy relationship with the Bush Crime Family, etc.)

and she isn't even in the WH yet, and has been getting "back-door" advice from the Bushies for quite awhile now ... as reported in Sept. 07
http://www.examiner.com/a-953145~Bush_quietly_advising_Hillary_Clinton__top_Democrats.html

[HughMoran]

7. Repost

You're opinion is already quite widely known here.

[girl gone mad]

9. If this stuff didn't work to get Bush out of office last time,

why do you think it's going to work to keep Hillary out?

Bush was millions of times more evil and corrupt than any Clinton on their worst day, but Bush-hatred still wasn't enough to get our candidate elected.

The Republicans thought it would work for them too, back in '96. It didn't.

[papau]

10. I disagree - Clinton would have all the "mandates for Change" - and produce on them

[Perky]

27. based on what?

[Triana]

11. 100% agree. (n/t)

[Yael]

12. If there is a more divisive candidate out there

damned if I could name them. On either side of the aisle.

[krabigirl]

13. I disagree. With the economy in the crapper, people are going to vote for ANY Dem.

[Perky]

21. It is not simply about winning the election...it is about governing.

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. She is the most competent candidate running in either Party

And for most Americans, that matters a great deal. Hillary has been attacked for over a decade by the Right, but she never has had the type of platform that being the Presidential candidate of a major political party will provide her, to defend herself and make her own case directly to the American people. As first lady she could not be assertive, as the Democratic Candidate for President she can be. The best thing that could have happened to Hillary Clinton was losing the Iowa caucus. It was what she needed to allow her to step out from behind the carefully scripted button down take no risk front runner strategy that only served to reenforce negative stereotypes about her. Hillary has an amazing sense of humor and that is starting to show now. Hillary also has great inner strength, and voters are begining to see that in her again as she turns her campaign around after an early defeat. Increasingly every week, women in particular are starting to relate more to Hillary Clinton as a person while they continue to admire her resolve and capacity to hold up under pressure. Those are leadership qualities, qualities that will only come into sharper focus as this election year proceeds. Hillary is learning how to better project her strength and her softer side simultaneously and it shows, along with her clear intelligence.

Unlike any of our other candidates, the down side of Hillary Clinton is already fully priced in, and the upside is opening up.

Hey, you asked, so I figured you wanted some one to make the case.

[dailykoff]

15. The problem is she's never shown any leadership, even when she's had real power.

She could have been the lioness of the Senate for the last six years but instead she's played the rookie and done just what she's always done -- give a green light to every rotten vicious genocidal "intervention" the MIC can dream up.

Screw that shit, I'm tired of triangulating Clintons letting the freaking CIA roll them flat.

[ruggerson]

16. Good lord, the hyperbole never ends

[gdaerin]

17. What if Obama ran on a third party ticket? nt

[Perky]

26. In a coalition of Black and independent voters? He might win

But he would need to have someone like Hagel in the ticket.

It is not going to happen.

[Meldread]

18. K&R. Some people just don't get it.

Even if Hillary manages to win, all that you said will come true. She is polarizing enough for Republican's to oppose every measure she puts forward, and her every action will be under the Republican microscope. The Republican's will not play nice like the Democratic Party has done for Bush.

My prediction: After Hillary's first term, the Democratic Party loses control of the Senate, and loses seats in the House. Republican's begin their slow climb back to power after Bush.

Even worse, the Joe Lieberman wing of the Democratic Party and the DLCer's will once again be firmly entrenched. Progressives and Liberals will find themselves on the outside looking in all over again. It has taken eight years of the worst President in American History to galvanize the progressives of the party. It has taken eight long years for us to slowly begin to climb into positions of power. If Hillary wins the Presidency we will once again be locked out.

[boston bean]

19. third time is a charm

NOT

[swoop]

20. I just don't get the truth out of Hillary.

With her, the surface is never where what's going on is all there is. I may not get a lot from Obama, at this point, but he hasn't been untruthful, he hasn't played the shell game. That counts for a lot--like you said, you can't unring a bell.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. "We have only won a majority twice since. Carter in 1976 and AL Gore in 2000"

Al Gore won a plurality of the popular vote (48.4%) and Jimmy Carter won a bare majority of the pop vote (50.1%)

[Perky]

23. Ooops you are right...So we have onlu had a majority once since 1964

Hillary can win the nomination. and i think she ca win the White House but with a slim majority or a pluraility if someone launches a third party bid. But I am not sure she can move the profressives agenda forward one step under aither scenario.

[ursi]

24. One need only to look at the voting records of Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton

and the donor records to understand what this is all about.

I am very worried about her because of her vote on the Iran invasion.

Don't even get me started on things such as Entergy and all the other wheeling and dealing going on with corporations. Will she get rid of Bush's executive orders or will the Clintons use them to their advantage if they get back in to the White House?

[NoBorders]

25. I agree

I don't know what it is with your party driving itself into a ditch with every election these days.