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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:45 PM
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Caesar's Palace Caucus Live on CNN website: What a weird and chaotic process
Only 2 people for Edwards, 2 uncommitted, 1 Gravel, and the rest are Clinton or Obama

Obama: 82 Hillary: 79

Highlights of video feed:

Woman running caucus said "shit" on mic.

One Obama person switched over the Hillary side mid-count.

Dispute over Obama being at 82 or 81 and Hillary at 78 or 79. Recounting several times.

People are changing between counts. Woman running caucus says they can no longer move - need to stay in seats - no movement - and she claims that only those who are NOT in Obama or Hillary groups are allowed to move during second realignment.

Confusion regarding total number of caucusers. They are trying to figure out how many people are there.

People are caucusing without numbered cards. This explains the discrepancy in the numbeThey really are having a hard time figuring out who showed up on time and got a preference card and can therefore participate.

Final: 166 attendees. 33 delegates.

Viable groups: Obama and Hillary

Dispute about whether there are 166 or 167.

Obama: 82 Hillary: 79 They keep recounting - confusion about the cards.

Woman running caucus getting frustrated with the numbers discrepancy.

Getting really tense about this one extra card 166/167 people.

Calculator is broken - she needs a new one.

The 2 Edwards, 2 Uncommitted, and 1 Gravel are told to realign.

People are shouting for Obama and Hillary.

Non-caucussing people are told not to talk to the undecideds.

"How do you do divided-by?" asks the woman running the caucus to someone helping.

They are multiplying 82 by 33 and divided by 166 and saying "this doesn't make any sense"

Can't seem to figure out how to calculate the delegate totals.

"I just can't tell what all these numbers are"

Chant of "Let her decide!" - unclear as to the context

New calculator is presented.

Trying to figure out the realignment. Some yelling and screaming.

One Edwards person says he is going home, not voting. Other goes to Obama (with the uncommitteds)

Final Count announced

Someone is screaming about John McCain and told to leave.

Final Count:

Hillary: 80 16 delegates
Obama: 86 17 delegates
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:49 PM
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1. I'm watching but missed the part where she said they couldn't switch sides
It's my understanding that after the first count, you can switch sides, but not for a candidate that didn't get 15% of the vote.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:55 PM
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4. She announced it very casually
No one seemed to dispute the claim.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:00 PM
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9. CNN said you cant switch sides if you picked a viable candidate after the first vote
I did notice that the Edwards supporter left rather than give his vote to anyone.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:00 PM
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11. Got it, thanks...
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:51 PM
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2. Loved it. I wish we had that here.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:53 PM
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3. I thought people were too intimidated to caucus for Hillary
more lies and bullshit from the Clintons.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:57 PM
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5. Its really beyond the pale. Do they not realize how foolish all their whining is going to look when
HRC wins? Will we see Hill and Bill giving a grandiose acceptance/victory speech, extolling the virtues of the people of Nevada, after they've been whining and complaining and accusing for days now? Do they not realize how ridiculous they look?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:59 PM
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8. Well people must be pretty stupid
they've bought the bullshit so far. Except Iowa. And they're the ones America says shouldn't lead the way. :crazy:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:58 PM
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6. The Culinary Workers Who Voted For Hillary Are Very Brave
If John Kennedy were alive he would add a chapter to "Profiles In Courage" above them...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:00 PM
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10. Oh what horse shit
Besides, these caucuses were never just open to the culinary workers anyway.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:58 PM
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7. Just like Democracy . . .
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:14 PM
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12. Thanks for the running narration. Appreciate it!
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:15 PM
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13. You're welcome!
It was fascinating to watch it unfold.
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