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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:08 AM
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HILLARY Doesn't list LBJ, Great revered signer of Civil Rights Act as one of her favorite Presidents
Why is that?

Yet she Admired Reagan for his communication skills.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:11 AM
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1. Goldwater Girl in '64?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:25 AM
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2. she didn't say she revered LBJ
who knows, maybe she does, but her comments weren't about revering him, they were about the facts of civil rights history.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:27 AM
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3. Well when one brings up LBJ on MLK's birthday......to give him credit, I guess....
one would think that she must have liked him enough to bring him up without being prompted. But obviously, not really.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:30 AM
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6. why get so hung up on liking and hating?
why not just discuss historical facts? Both LBJ and MLK had roles in civil rights, is it possible to discuss that without worrying if you like or hate them, or like one more than the other?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:34 AM
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7. Because when Obama brings up historical facts, they are twisted
to have him saying something that he isn't agreeing with....just stating.

The Republican party did come up with ideas that challenged conventional wisdom. Yet when Obama states it, well then it becomes that he was "liking" it.

Hell, Bush taking us into a preemptive war was challenging conventional Foreign Policy wisdom.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:37 AM
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8. I agree with you 100% about Obama and Reagan
he wasn't saying he liked Reagan, he wasn't even talking or thinking about whether he liked him.

People don't seem to understand this.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:28 AM
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4. "Hey, hey, LBJ, How many kids did you kill today?"

And she was a Goldwater Girl in 1964. But all of us who were young then remember LBJ ramping up the war. We remember the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts, too, but the war loomed large, took about 50,000 of our peers' lives. (The death toll in Viet Nam was higher than 50,000 but I'm allowing for some of the military who were killed to have been a good bit older, not boomers.)
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:30 AM
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5. yet Bush makes her list and Reagan
at least LBJ tried to do and did do some good on the domestic front. Vietnam was a tragedy, but he certainly did do more good imo than RR and Poppy.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:04 AM
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9. Just push the trash along, already.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:07 AM
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10. actually we don't know if she did or not
since we do know the list is incomplete. They mentioned that Clinton was mentioned by her but left off the list.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 AM
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12. There you go. All Obama threads are based on false information. It's quite amazing.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 AM by Perry Logan
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:01 AM
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13. You're mad at me or something......
kicking all of my threads with nonsense that doesn't say anything at all?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:12 AM
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15. Not mad at you at all. Your point was debunked, and I was just pointing it out.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:16 PM
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16. say something of substance.....then we can talk.
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:42 AM
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11. LBJ would be out of sync with today's Dem party....
His programs were huge people-centered social programs. Today's liberal Dems would be middle-of-the-road Dems in the 60s. No way big business would get support for outsourcing jobs as they do now. Both parties now try to satisfy the corporations at the expense of the working people.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:02 AM
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14. If she did she would be attacked because LBJ was a war hawk
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gregjones Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:25 PM
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17. The TRUTH About being a 'Goldwater Girl'
It is Time to Demythologize Goldwater by Telling the Truth,
Goldwater was a Racist

"You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger,
nigger. By 1968 you can't say 'nigger' -- that hurts you.
Backfires. So you say stuff like States' Rights," — Lee
Atwater.

Many States' Rights Democrats were attracted to the 1964
presidential campaign of Goldwater who was notably more
conservative than previous Republican nominees, such as Dwight
D. Eisenhower. 

Goldwater's principle opponent in the primary election,
Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York, was widely seen as
representing the more moderate and pro-Civil Rights Northern
wing of the party. Rockefeller's defeat in the primary is seen
as one turning point towards a more conservative Republican
party and the beginning of a long decline for moderate and
especially liberal Republicans. Goldwater's primary victory is
also seen as a shift of the center of Republican power to the
West and South. 

In the 1964 presidential race, Barry Goldwater ran a very
conservative campaign, primarily with an emphasis on
"States' Rights." As a conservative, Goldwater
broadly opposed strong action by the federal government.
Goldwater favored the Rights of the states. Namely because a
defeat of Civil Rights could not be won on a national level
leaving the only alternative — winning in a few individual
states where anti Black sentiments prevailed. States' Rights
was thus born as a label and movement to defeat giving Civil
Rights to Blacks.

Goldwater oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964. His stance
based on his view of States' Rights has been interpreted as an
appeal to racist white Southern Democrats, and undoubtedly
attracted a few conservative anti Civil Rights bases. 

The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr

JULY 16 1964 King asserts that nomination of Senator Barry
Goldwater by Republicans will aid racists 


The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism,
reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with
alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of
the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at
this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy,
and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of
the past decade. 

It was both unfortunate and disastrous that the Republican
Party nominated Barry Goldwater as its candidate for President
of the United States. In foreign policy Mr. Goldwater
advocated a narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and
a trigger-happy attitude that could plunge the whole world
into the dark abyss of annihilation. On social and economic
issues, Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism
that was totally out of touch with the realities of the
twentieth century. The issue of poverty compelled the
attention of all citizens of our country. Senator Goldwater
had neither the concern nor the comprehension necessary to
grapple with this problem of poverty in the fashion that the
historical moment dictated. On the urgent issue of civil
rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was
morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself
a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave
aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy
would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all
stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because
of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every
Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr.
Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican
candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from
Senator Goldwater and his philosophy. 

While I had followed a policy of not endorsing political
candidates, I felt that the prospect of Senator Goldwater
being President of the United States so threatened the health,
morality, and survival of our nation, that I could not in good
conscience fail to take a stand against what he represented. 

The celebration of final enactment of the civil rights bill
curdled and soured. Rejoicing was replaced by a deep and
frightening concern that the counter-forces to Negro
liberation could flagrantly nominate for the highest office in
the land one who openly clasped the racist hand of Strom
Thurmond. A cold fear touched the hearts of twenty million
Negroes. They had only begun to come out of the dark land of
Egypt where so many of their brothers were still in
bondage-still denied elementary dignity. The forces to bar the
freedom road, to drive us back to Egypt, seemed so formidable,
so high in authority, and so determined.

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Civil rights equates to The Peoples' Ongoing Struggle ... and
I suggest it has been essentially stalled. 

Newflash: It's not HRC or Bill Clinton's DLC who will
"serve" anything more than their own best interest
and that of their surrogates and operatives. Sure they'll try
a little "race baiting" and talk kindly to
homosexuals, but have they done ANYTHING TRULY PROFOUND for
peoples of color ... well other than pitting them against each
other for political expediency.

Obama, due to his own personal struggle, will CARE and ACT on
behalf of us "little people" who have been
disenfranchised for far too long by the powerful *insiders* of
the D.C. Beltway Political Elites. All these entrenched
"status quo" politicos are frightened and will
resort to ANY DIRTY trick to keep preferably "the
RNC's" but will accept "the DNC's" darling in
THEIR Executive Branch. 
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