Hillary might have Reagan on some insignificant list, but she doesn't kiss Reagan's ass to get votes

[mtnsnake]

like Obama does during his campaign when he gushes over that overrated repuke bum in a feeble attempt at sucking up to Republicans and Independents.

What's he gonna do next, dress up in camouflage and go hunting for defenseless birds? That'll work!

[Mz Pip]

1. Gushes over??

I must have missed the gushing. :eyes:

Enough already. You aren't helping.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[mtnsnake]

2. Yeah, gushes over

as in "sucks up to". Cabish?

[Mz Pip]

3. Whatever

Sounds like hyperbole to me. :shrug:

Mz Pip

[ClericJohnPreston]

4. What do you think throwing liberals under the bus

and trashing every Democratic Cause, decrying it is excess, means?

I'll tell you one thing, it isn't LIBERAL, nor is using Reagan, to pander for crossover votes.

[oasis]

25. Obama helps right wingers perpetuate the myth of Reagan's "greatness".

It's difficult for you to swallow, that I understand.

[ShortnFiery]

5. There's quite a bit of difference between stating the TRUTH: "Reagan was a transformation character"

to our nation AND figuratively kissing Reagan's ass.

Hey, it may be time to get off of the Tilt-A-Whirl? :crazy:

[redqueen]

9. You're ignoring a few other comments he's made...

agreeing with Reagan about how ineffective those FDR programs were... whitewashing his record by talking about unity when he really used racism and greed.

Not to mention the "party of ideas" and the quotes from his book.

[tishaLA]

17. When did he say FDR's plans were ineffective?

I know that he said government programs had grown complacent--and anyone who has dealt with them, as I have, can tell you that they are not especially use-friendly--but I've never seen him say they were ineffective.

I also missed where he said that Reagan "united" people. Sen Obama as working in Chicago's housing projects during the height of the Reagan years; I'm sure he saw the underbelly of "Reaganomics" more thoroughly than most of us.

[jackson_dem]

36. He has said many government programs don 't work as advertised

Which ones, Barack?

[tishaLA]

37. a lot of the DON'T!

but the more important point is that we have to constantly rethink those programs to make them work better. Sen Obama has never suggested eliminating any social program. He has, however, said we need to think about ways to make them function more efficiently.

[jackson_dem]

39. Just like the DLC and Bill Clinton

Remember "Reinventing Government"?

[tishaLA]

40. that was certainly one way of doing it

but nothing in Sen Obama's record demonstrates that it's the way he plans to do it. He advocates a more "user-friendly" version of it.

[jackson_dem]

42. That sounds good but when it comes to details it will look like Clinton's

[tishaLA]

44. Well, I'm no match against a soothsayer

I'm a mere mortal and therefore unable to see into the future.

[jackson_dem]

35. Not FDR. The programs of the 60's and 70's that Reagan ran against (Great Society mainly)

[durrrty libby]

6. The fools are just reaching. They got nothin else

[ClericJohnPreston]

10. Spin, spin , spin

Hurry Obamites, rinse, spin, repeat, rinse , spin, repeat!

That tact of Obamas should be condemned by all Liberals....rightfully.

[BringBigDogBack]

11. give it a rest

faux outrage of a different order I see has sprouted.

[BringBigDogBack]

12. Even the ones who've only become liberals since they left the senate?

[BringBigDogBack]

28. hello?

[ShortnFiery]

13. Yes, it would make you implode to NOT acknowledge history. Obama was NOT complementing Reagan.

But continue to spin ... it is doing strides at electing a Republican President because you seemingly are burning your bridges. Bill Clinton's DLC's darlings do not warrant a 3rd Executive Branch Term. They consolidate media, cause welfare reform that leaves many poor to fall through the cracks in the system, and they swagger with the Republican War hawks.

No, I don't think you wish to recall history BUT are blinded by pure hatred of what Reagan, et. al. was able to accomplish ... yes, it was ALL BAD, but he did transform our country while HRC's husband took our beloved Democratic Party to the bat-shit-crazy right. :shrug:

[BringBigDogBack]

7. Bit of a reach, dontcha think?

Nevermind, for a minute there I forgot who I was talking to.

[bunnies]

8. Favorite presidents = insignificant list?

:rofl: and the "insignificant list" happens to be posted on her web site?

Can whats on Hillarys website be trusted? Yes or No.
Is the info on her site true or false.
Its either or.

[ShortnFiery]

18. ...

Someone's been hogging the bong. :crazy:

[bunnies]

29. You know it!

I admit I inhale. :hi:

[Tom Rinaldo]

34. So show me "the list".

There is no list posted. There is one line within an editorial that talks about Presidents who are on Hillary's list of favorites. The term "list" is not always used literally, it can be figurative as in the phrase "and the list goes on".

Hillary's web site did not post any list or discussion about who her favorite Presidents are and why. They posted an unedited editorial endorsing her which appeared in a string of 11 local newspapers in New Hampshire.

Yes I trust that they posted the editorial accurately as written. That is truly the editorial that was written endorsing her for President

It would have been foolish of them not to post it in full, and foolish of them to attempt to edit it in any way or question the wording of that editorial board about how accurately they conveyed whatever conversaton they seemingly refer to with that one line. You simply don't look a gift horse like that in the mouth. Had any reporters actually questioned what discussion Hillary had which the editorial referenced I am sure her campaign would have had a clear response about it. That would have been the appropriate way to handle any questions raised by a favorable endorsement.

[BenDavid]

14. Reagan was a racist bastard and throughout his presidency,

Reagan supported the apartheid government in South Africa and even labeled Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress a notorious terrorist organization. He made a career out of deliberately appealing to the racist vote. it brought him to power and it was a constant tool throughout his career. Ronald Reagan acted in public as a racist acts. He deliberately set out to appeal to racists and continue the odious Southern Strategy. In doing so, he helped to mainstream racism in the GOP and thus the country.

[dugggy]

15. Only a fool refuses to learn from other's success

Whatever we might think of Reagan, he won two largest
landslides in 60 years. Obama wants to learn what made Reagan tick.
Very smart of Obama.

[mtnsnake]

16. Yeah, maybe Obama can start forgetting things at will, too, like Reagan. That might work! (snicker)

[ShortnFiery]

22. Of all the inane statements, that one ranks as one of the most lame.

I know you can do better. Come on, dig up Reagan's old corpse and kick it around, but please, be a little more creative? :crazy:

[BringBigDogBack]

20. true

only a fool jumps off the handle at comments like this as well, I'm afraid.

[ClericJohnPreston]

21. What are you?

Do you even understand the word: INTEGRITY?

Win at all costs?

Sell your soul in the process?

If Obama already starts as an appeasing conciliatory centrist, where does he really end up being if he won the GE?

You Obamites want to take everything on FAITH, based on manipulative rhetoric.

You are truly scary cultists!

[dugggy]

30. Winning is EVERYTHING...Vince Lombardi

If Obama can't win presidency, it won't matter zilch how
good he is or what he could have done.

[mtnsnake]

It was, "Winning isn’t everything…it’s the only thing"

just sayin'

[dugggy]

52. Y'are right. memory is the 2nd thing that goes

I casn't remember what was first :rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

26. Exactly! And "being honest" about that success does not equate to AGREEING with his policies.

Geeze! Don't drop that "bad DLC acid" man. :crazy:

I'm seeing a side to Bill and Hill that has been THERE but hidden during the 1990s. They can't stand being anything OTHER than the center of political attention. Specifically, Bill Clinton is behaving in a bitter condescending and petty manner that I never thought was a part of his persona. It's scary but not as scary as electing HRC and ENDURING 24/7 scandal *not all* of the M$M invention. :scared:

[featherman]

19. Nobody kissed anybody's ass either literally or figuratively

An insightful and true political observation about successful coalition building has been puffed into something it was not. I'm sympathetic to those who are truly unable to understand the context but for those that do and still willfully misrepresent it... well, you are what you are.

(God, this is so stupid. Why bother?)

[bigwillq]

23. Obama will do anything for a vote

Even sell out certain groups of people to pander to others. Good job Senator. :eyes:

[Adelante]

24. Tee hee

:)

[BootinUp]

32. shaddup!

:rofl:

[Adelante]

33. .

:rofl:

[Tom Rinaldo]

38. You earned this laugh fair and square, lol n/t

[BenDavid]

27. Let's see. R. Reagan did bring about change.He converted

the solidly Democratic south in the solidly Republican south by converting all the southern racists into Republicans.
Who is Obama going to convert into what?
And Obama supporters have been attacking Hillary over Dr. King. Reagan got the anti-Kings to become Republicans. Does this mean that Obama is going to tell the King haters he wants to kiss and make up?
And you Obamanuts wonder why the old line civil rights leaders are wary of Obama.

[dionysus]

31. yeah, but where on her list is...

Brewer and Shipley?

:hi:

..waiting for the train to DC sweet hillary, hopin' that the train is on time...

sittin' downtain at the railway station, one toke over the lineeee....

this time in spanish!!

un toke sobre la línea mtnsnake dulce, un toke sobre la línea. estando parado céntrico en el ferrocarril, un toke sobre la línea!!!!

[Renew Deal]

41. You're right, she only worships him.

Why are you bothering defending this? People are having a little bit of fun.

[mtnsnake]

45. Thank god Hillary doesn't lavish praise on that overrated puke Reagan in speeches like Obama does

It is so sickening to hear him do that. What will he do next to cop a few Republican votes...go hunting with Cheney perhaps?

[Renew Deal]

49. Let's hope he doesn't go hunting with Cheney.

:hide:

[mtnsnake]

50. Yes, if he does, you should definitely take cover inside that little fort!

:hide:

lol

[SoxFan]

43. Get the facts straight

Obama made an accurate statement about Reagan's ability to shift the dynamics of American politics.

Your Gal listed Reagan and Poppy among her favorite presidents when she was kissing up to a conservative paper in rural NH.

Get your facts straight.

[mtnsnake]

46. Maybe you can hold Obama's cue cards up for him to read when he gushes over Reagan in his speeches

[SoxFan]

47. Why haven't you been introduced to Iggy?

[mtnsnake]

48. Why haven't I been to Rio yet?

I'd love to, but I just haven't had the time.

[JackORoses]

51. no, she just cries for votes

and talks about her adulterous husband on TV for votes

and tries to suppress votes which she fears will go against her

[Auntie Bush]

53. You mean like John Kerry?

"dress up in camouflage and go hunting"

[mtnsnake]

55. hahaha, yes, Aunti Bush, just like that

:thumbsup:

[ProSense]

54. Kick! n/t