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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:10 AM Original message |
Obama on Reagan in his book . Failures of liberal goverment? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. I hope this is out of context or just used to make a point |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. We probably should all buy his book |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Head start |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Thanks, |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. Failure as in unpopularity would be my guess |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Here is some context |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. People had a right to a welfare check |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Oh yes.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. People were stuck on welfare |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:52 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. So the solution is? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Oh absolutely, that's the Obama proposal to the letter! A+ for you n/t |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:35 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. No that was Reagan's solution... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:40 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Do you know how to be objective? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:02 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I know how to see facts. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. In your opinion |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:15 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I'm interested in a President |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:18 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. He isn't holding up his views |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:37 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. And anothe time... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:48 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. "Morning in America" |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:51 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. That was his second run in '84. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:06 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Reagan 's optimistic racist campaign |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:15 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. The country was worried about the economy |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. "The entire manufacturing industry was completely collapsing..." |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:06 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. The hell he didn't! |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. That's pretty damned funny, coming from you. n/t |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. many nations have that |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. And they also have free education |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Obama supports Clinton's welfare bill |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:49 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. We need to give people more opportunity |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:02 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. what? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:16 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. what? what??? |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #51 |
77. Perspective I guess |
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RuleOfNah (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
68. Read up on October Surprise and then IranContra. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
4. Why Clinton "ended welfare as we know it" |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
48. Studies don't mean squat |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:18 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. My point is that he was aware |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R! |
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Frances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
7. I think the country was better off under the Dems than under |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
8. holy f...are you kidding |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. No. Page 31, final paragraph. Check it yourself at your local library |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
10. He's talking about the success of Reagan's message. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Partly but he also talks about some of the "evils" of liberalism that Reagan "corrected" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Be specific, you've got the book n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I edited my OP to put more context in about the objectionable part |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
14. To connect with the people, maybe? |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. And which "special interests" would those be, pray tell? |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. What I'm talking about is altering how we present ourselves. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. That's fine and dandy but you still haven't answered my question. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. All of them, I guess |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. That's funny |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I'm a left-wing lower middle class, white heterosexual Christian woman |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. Please note that "spoke to" does not mean "spoke for me"..... |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
17. Self delete |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
18. You really expect people to make a fucking judgment on an out of context one liner like that? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I want people to read his book and know who this guy is |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
44. And Look What "Flip-Flopper" Did For Kerry! It Stuck & Is Still Used Today! n/t |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
19. Budget deficits, inefficient bureaucracy. He wasn't talking about the Clinton years. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Succinct! n/t |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Economic and job growth was better under Carter than the next three rethug presidents |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Do you see Ohio and Michigan? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
24. The era of the $700 toilet seat? the $400 hammer? |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Wasn't that stuff under Reagan? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Yes and it started before that |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
25. I wish I read his damn book |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #25 |
37. you and alll of us have plenty of time to read it-come to our own conclusion- |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
30. lots of reagen threads |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
33. Obama on Reagan and "big government." Pages 156-157 |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. "the liberal welfare state" "contained a good deal of truth" |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Reagan's central insight... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:37 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Clinton implemented welfare and social reform |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. No shit. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. You can disagree with Reagan on most issues |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. So he will be Bill Clinton 2.0: the upgraded version? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. No, Clinton didn't do what he said |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
62. And again... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. And Clinton implemented the changes |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:23 AM Response to Original message |
67. he could have phrased it differently, but there's a grain of truth there. nt |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
70. Reagan could also inspire. I recall a 1980 "states rights" speech he made in Mississippi |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 05:27 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Can you imagine what Enron employees would have done |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Amen. Welcome to DU. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
80. There are other options |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
82. Reagan won because he appealed to the public's base nature by telling them it was okay to be greedy |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
83. A couple of repubs in my office read one of Obama's books |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
84. John Kerry Also Spoke About Bloated Government |
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