If Hillary can't get Independent support, how is she going to win a General Election?

[TeamJordan23]

Three states and she has overwelmingly lost the Independent vote to competitors (and to the 'Uncommited'). How the heck is going to carry a general election if she cannot convince Independent voters to vote for her.

Obama's dominance among Independent voters makes him clearly the most viable for a General Election win. I can see Edwards picking up Indep. voters also.

[Jack Bone]

1. Hillary's no Lee Mercer Jr.

:rofl:

[rinsd]

2. If Obama can't get Democratic support, why should he be the nominee?

:shrug:

[Barack_America]

8. Because the alternative is another Republican president.

You like the sound of that?

[rinsd]

14. Hillary beats all GOPers except McCain.

And once she gets to take his ass on head to head, he is toast.

[AX10]

13. The same Democrats who wanted to rally the base...

are now wanting to reach out to the GOP for support. :eyes:

Makes no sense whatsoever.

[rinsd]

16. Its just plain bizarre

[AX10]

20. Since Obama came along...

these people have become sheeple. They are in some kind of trance. Whatever Obama says, they will do.
That does bother me somewhat. Blind obedience is dangerous.

[pnwmom]

3. She got a whopping 75% of the women's vote in New York state for

her reelection there, which included huge numbers of Independents. This drove her overall vote to more than 60%.

Some Independents now prefer other Dem candidates. That doesn't mean that they'll prefer a Rethug to HRC if she is the nominee.

[Diane R]

4. And who exactly was her competition?

[AX10]

11. Who exactly was Obama's competition in 2004?

Alan Keyes: a nobody!

[rinsd]

17. He also ran unopposed in several of his state races.

[goldcanyonaz]

15. And, who did Obama run against for Illinois Senate? Alan Keyes.

:rofl:

[pnwmom]

44. And who exactly will be her competition in the general?

Some Rethug idiot.

[LiberalFighter]

5. Primaries are not intended for the independents.

[Barack_America]

18. So aren't we lucky that we get to hear what they think before we nominate?

What a mistake that could've been. Yikes!

[rinsd]

21. In NH where 4 in 10 voters in the Dem primary were Indies, she got 31%

She'll be fine in the GE.

[Barack_America]

29. That won't be repeated in the midwest and south...

Where independents come from a little bit different mindset.

(and in NH, Obama still got more. So nah! ;) )

[pnwmom]

45. There's no reason to think that, if she is the nominee, Independents in the midwest

will choose a Rethug over her. We don't need the South. Just one more state in the midwest or west would do.

[LiberalFighter]

28. How do we know that is their true feeling?

[Barack_America]

30. Is this an existential question?...n/t

[Barack_America]

6. To be blunt. She's not. Period. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

7. As bad as Hillary is, I see no scenario under which the GOP can win in November

Ron Paul is the only one among them to break clean from Bush, but even he could not compete with whoever the Democrats put up.

[FrenchieCat]

9. It's not about winning as much as what gets done once we win!

[IndianaGreen]

22. I know exactly what progressives will be doing during Hillary's first term

March 2009 - National antiwar marches on the 6th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2009 - National antiwar marches on the 7th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.

March 2010 - National antiwar marches on the 7th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2010 - National antiwar marches on the 8th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.

March 2011 - National antiwar marches on the 8th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2011 - National antiwar marches on the 9th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.

March 2012 - National antiwar marches on the 9th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War.

October 2012 - National antiwar marches on the 10th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution.

[FrenchieCat]

25. That's about the size of it.......

seen this IndianaGreen? http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

[IndianaGreen]

26. Thanks for the link

I watched the first minute, I will watch the other 48 minutes when I have more time.

[FrenchieCat]

27. Pay close attention to his discussion on the Pentagon......

:hi:

[Barack_America]

10. I respectfully disagree. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

24. Nothing short of a daring terrorist attack could same the GOP in November

and even then, they will get blamed for allowing it to happen.

[Barack_America]

32. Okay...n/t

[loveangelc]

12. she won't.

[Lucinda]

19. She got 31% of the Indy vote in NH ..even with multiple Dems in the field .

She'll be fine in the general.

[bunnies]

23. Sure. Just as long as she gets "emotional" the day before the vote. nt

[Lucinda]

35. Wow...that's really profound. Thanks for posting!

[BootinUp]

31. Who says she can't? nt

[Barack_America]

33. So far Iowa, New Hampshire and Michigan...n/t

[BootinUp]

34. Sorry thats meaningless. Try NY GENERAL elections where she

competed against them.

[Barack_America]

36. Why would general elections in her so-called home state be more pertinent?

Do tell.

People don't feel the same about Hillar in the midwest and south as they do in the NE. Independents in general are different in the midwest and south than they are in the NE.

[BootinUp]

37. If independents are choosing beween 2 democrats

that means they are either going to vote for us in the GE, or they are fucking with our primary.

[Barack_America]

40. The bigger concern is the independents who voted for Obama...

...You simply cannot assume they will vote for Hillary. Many will not. They will either vote GOP or will not vote at all. That is a sad fact, particularly in the midwest.

[BootinUp]

42. nonsense

Based on the direction of republican popularity and polls prior to Obama's more overt appeals to independents (run to the right)Hillary was kicking ass in polls v Republicans. She is in a primary race for Democratic votes right now. It is not surprising her numbers are slightly down from a couple months ago.

In a GE race, they will get the real choice and we are far and away in a better position. Hillary can better defend against GE attacks and has the qualifications and policy wonkishness that will attract independents and even repukes. Plus, there is evidence she will pull women from the repuke side in battle ground states.

An in depth Pew poll from around October backs this up.

[Barack_America]

43. October? Whatever, good luck with that..

Let's see what Nevada and South Carolina have to say.

[BootinUp]

46. I really don't care how many independents he gets in a Democratic primary

get it?

[Imagevision]

38. Last count, Diebold machines are still installed and still running, (not meant for amusement)

[Perky]

39. I have been asking for an inteligent conversation on this with clinto supporters for two days.

and have come to three possible conclusions.

All they reallyt care about is the nomination and not the election

All they really care about is the election and not what happens in the ensuing four years

There are no intelligent Clinton supportes.



No one has postulates how she might win the presidency let alone a mandate.

They all talk about How Great a President she will be but offer no evidence to support it

Or they dismiss the valu of a mandate altogether..


Or simply claim I hate her.





ARRRRGGGHHHH

[Barack_America]

41. In a way I understand it...(Hillary supporters, please read)

If my candidate of choice had such a tremendous roadblock between themselves and the White House, I might be tempted to dismiss and ignore it too.

It sucks that there is an irrational hatred for Hillary in many parts of this country. But the fact that it sucks doesn't make it any less true. And the simple fact is that there is nothing she, nor any of her supporters, can do to change their minds about it.

I grew up in a town that hates her, I know firsthand how unrelenting this hatred is. During Bill's presidency, I tried to speak reason to them. It cannot be done. If Hillary is the nom, they will vote GOP. That's how they are.