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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:29 PM
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Why did Senator X who has a perfect Senate record do all of this?
I am told by highly reliable sources the One True Senator has a perfect Senate record. This makes me wonder how these things happened.

10/18/2007 Prohibiting Funds for Groups that Perform Abortions NV
09/06/2007 Prohibiting U.S. Assistance for Groups that Support Coercive Abortion NV
10/26/2005 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Funding Amendment N
11/01/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
10/30/2007 Amtrak Reauthorization NV
10/25/2007 Amtrak Federal Subsidy Limits NV
09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization NV
09/10/2007 Bridge Repair Funding NV
07/26/2007 Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act NV
07/26/2007 REAL ID Funding NV
03/07/2005 Minimum Wage Amendment N
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees NV
09/07/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
07/20/2007 Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants NV
06/21/2007 Energy Act of 2007 Y
11/08/2007 On the Nomination of Michael B. Mukasey for the Office of Attorney General NV
06/11/2007 Attorney General No Confidence Vote NV
12/06/2006 Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense Y
4/21/2005 John Negroponte, Director of National Intelligence Y
02/15/2005 Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security Y
01/26/2005 Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State Y
11/01/2007 Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 (CHIP) NV
09/27/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization N
12/04/2007 United States-Peru Trade Agreement NV
09/26/2007 Expressing the Sense of Congress Regarding Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps NV
6/21/2006 Increasing Minimum Wage Amendment N
03/02/2006 USA PATRIOT and Terrorism Prevention Reauthorization Y
09/19/2006 U.S.-Oman Free Trade Agreement Implementation Y
06/29/2006 U.S. -Oman Free Trade Agreement Y

Senator X voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill. I don't know which energy bill was the one in dispute so it is not listed above but it is well known he voted for it. This bill was chock full of tax giveaways to the oil industry and their ilk. Presidential contender Hillary Clinton, who voted against it, has said it was practically written by Dick Cheney.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SN5: Y This is known as the tort reform bill and did not appear in the database from which I got the other votes. The idea was to force class action lawsuits into the federal courts because the federal courts are dominated by pro-business conservative Republicans. The Nation on it:

"But federal courts are much more hostile to class actions than their state counterparts; such cases tend to be rooted in the finer points of state law, in which federal judges are reluctant to dabble. And even if federal judges do take on these suits, with only 678 of them on the bench (compared with 9,200 state judges), already overburdened dockets will grow. Thus, the bill will make class actions--most of which involve discrimination, consumer fraud and wage-and-hour violations--all but impossible. One example: After forty lawsuits were filed against Wal-Mart for allegedly forcing employees to work "off the clock," four state courts certified these suits as class actions. Not a single federal court did so, although the practice probably involves hundreds of thousands of employees nationwide."

"The bill, like the other anticipated tort "reforms," was produced by the same right-wing think tanks that gave us the proposed Social Security overhaul and Medicare privatization and was marketed by the US Chamber of Commerce, which along with a coalition of businesses has spent tens of millions of dollars on the effort. Much of that money has gone to support like-minded elected officials. In the 2004 election, for example, the Chamber helped spend millions in seven battleground states to pay for ads urging voters to support lawsuit restrictions endorsed by Bush and opposed by John Kerry . Such efforts are part of a strategy embraced by Bush guru Karl Rove to drain cash from tort lawyers, who overwhelmingly support Democrats."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050307/zegart

Senator X has also written that he wanted to support CAFTA but voted against it as a protest vote because not enough attention was given to labor's concerns. That means he supported it in principle.

Funding the war: "Until he ran for president, Sen. X supported every funding bill for Iraq, some $300 billion. <2005 Vote # 117, HR1268, 5/10/05; 2005 Vote # 326, S1042, 11/15/05; 2006 Vote # 112, HR4939, 5/4/06; 2006 Vote # 239; 2006 Vote # 186, S2766, 6/22/06, HR5631, 9/7/06

Sen. X opposed a timeline for withdrawal. Sen. X said "I'm also acutely aware that a precipitous withdrawal of our troops, driven by Congressional edict rather than the realities on the ground, will not undo the mistakes made by this Administration. It could compound them."

Sen. X didn't introduce legislation to end the Iraq war until he started running for president.

I believe Senator X has a very good overall Senate record. Spare me the sanctimony, the deification, though. His record isn't perfect. Neither is that of the other 99 of his colleagues.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:39 PM
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1. Why did Senator Y
Co-sponsor the 2002 Iraq War Resolution and, now that he holds no political position of responsibility, expect he can run for president telling others how they should have voted on this and that?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:42 PM
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2. Senator Y does not have a perfect record. Senator Y himself admits it
And his supporters do not delude themselves into thinking he does. Senator Y, like Senator X, had a good overall record.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:43 PM
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4. bwahahaha
Edwards folks have been posting and reposting some OP that purports that he had a good record.

Senator Edwards made egregious mistakes on huge issues. Senator Obama has made a few bad votes in comparison.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:46 PM
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6. Obama has been in the Senate half the time
If Edwardians decided to flyspeck Obama's record to swiftboat Obama it could have been done with ease. Notice how the attacks on Edwards' record picked up in February of 2007?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:47 PM
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7. You're kidding, right?
About Senator Y's supporters not thinking that Senator Y is perfect? Have you been around here when imperfections have been brought up? Not pretty.

As for Senator X, there's already a thread for that Senator's supporters to discuss his/her shortcomings. So to say that Senator X's supporters think that Senator X is perfect is completely untrue.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:50 PM
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9. Have Senator Y's supporters and his campaign Romneyed an opponent's record?
You can't in good faith do that when your guy has an imperfect record too. Senator Y's supporters don't excuse some of his votes. They may like him as a person and defend him passionately but I have not seen anyone defend his vote for the war.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:42 PM
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3. LOL!
You folks really do not want to compare Senate records. Your candidate's is so much worse. It stinks of desperation.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:45 PM
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I believe Senator X has a very good overall Senate record
As I said. The point is the deification, hypocrisy, and blindness that has engulfed too many progressives. There is no One True Candidate with a perfect record. Flyspecking voting records is why no Senator has been elected president since 1960.

Desperation? Desperation is swiftboating an opponent's record while promising the complete opposite. Senator X issued a press release to attack Senator Y for stating a legal obligation and made it sound completely opposite then what he meant.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:45 PM
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5. K&R; Is Senator X a republican?
Sure sounds like it.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:48 PM
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8. If you choose to swiftboat any Democrat's voting record you can make them look terrible
Senator X has a great overall record. He made some mistakes but so has everyone else in Congress. Legislation is not always as cut and dry as some would make people believe. One example is Senator X voted for a minimum wage increase amendment before he voted against one on the same day. He didn't flip flop. The details in each amendment were different.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 07:56 PM
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10. Is America really ready for a one-letter president?
Well, at least the Rethugs won't have a problem reading his name on the ballot.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:21 PM
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11. Hey, it took me a minute to realize
jefferson_dem was arguing with jackson_dem and not himself! :silly:

We've already had an unlettered prez. Any one-letter prez would be an improvement.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:28 PM
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12. I think jefferson_dem and jackson_dem should stage a flamewar with jpgray and me
That would make some heads asplode.
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