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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:26 PM
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Edwards has now said that he doesn't want Coal or Nuclear plants....
What are we going to use for energy? Wind? We have to create power some how.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:28 PM
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1. Can wind power a city with a population of over 18 million?
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:28 PM
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2. water wind solar wave
we can do it look up his economic revitilization proprosal
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:28 PM
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3. He's the Mitt Romney of the Democrats
Say and do anything to get elected.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:42 PM
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28. I got a bit of the same feeling when he talked about nuclear power
Usually I wouldn't call Edwards a flip flopper, but he felt like a regular politician trying to have it both ways on the nuclear energy issue after the moderators brought up his voting record.
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iris5426 Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
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4. yes
and solar, and biofuels if we can get the corn lobby out of the way and use switchgrass or one of the other more similar (and efficiently produced) plants
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
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5. Hamsters in wheels. Lots of hamsters.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:42 PM
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27. We can make it cleaner, safer, and more efficient...
...by coating the hamsters in bacon grease.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:11 PM
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36. We can compost their poo, too.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:25 AM
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41. just phenomenally juvenile.

duly noted.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:20 AM
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44. Hah.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:19 AM
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43. And then grow corn for biofuel with it!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
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6. That's the whole point, isn't it?
Developing alternate energy sources. Coal is dirty and nuclear energy is dangerous; that's why he doesn't want to build new nuclear plants. Something else has to be done and it won't ever happen unless we start coming up with new sources now and instead keep relying on existing technologies.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
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7. Wind, solar, bio-thermal, hydro, tidal, bio (hemp!)...and more CLEAN ideas.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
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Are you living in the 1950's?
Solar, Wind, Ocean, Wave, thermal, etc. Come on!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 PM
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11. How far away are those things? There is going to be an energy crisis and he's offering nice ideas...
not viable ones.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:32 PM
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17. Thery are all being used now.
You are living in the 1950's.
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Invidious Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
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8. I have no love for
Nuclear Power, but we NEED it...it's the closest thing to short term clean energy we have.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:00 PM
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31. Nope - waste too fucking dangerous...if you want it - keep the waste for yourself
in YOUR backyard, and don't you damn even think of putting it in MY state - that doesn't heve have a SINGLE reactor...
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 PM
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9. He's against new coal and nuclear plants
We should shift to alternative energy but keep our current coal and nuclear plants. What Edwards is talking about is shifting our energy mix away from coal and nuclear plants.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
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15. Exactly. n/t
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 PM
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10. JFK didn't know exactly how we were going to get to the moon, either.
Just sayin'.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
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13. Getting to the moon, and powering the country are a tad bit different.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:38 PM
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22. My point is the president can put the challenge out there without being
the actual guy who designs the solution.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:01 PM
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32. and the moon was a lot harder at the time...
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:26 AM
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42. yeah because we already KNOW how to harness solar power.
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 02:27 AM by stickernation
we just need to do it BETTER and MORE.

we just need to figure out how to POWER A CAR WITH IT.

give it about two years if we elect John Edwards as President.

-s
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
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12. there goes even more pissed off corporations!
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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:31 PM
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14. OH - THAT's EASY
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:33 PM by fightthegoodfightnow
Bottled up the Hot Air from these politicians and plug the bottle up for future generations.

But perhaps these ideas are better:
Cap on carbon emissions
Investment in alternative fuels.
Taxes on petroleum profits
Increased fuel efficiency mandates
Increased federal funding for public transportation
Tax breaks for states who provide such funding
Reducing the consumption of energy through innovation

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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:32 PM
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16. Educate yourself.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:36 PM
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19. Only 25% renewable by 2025...
Invest in Renewable Sources of Electricity: Renewable energy has been seen as socially desirable but costly. However, wind is already competitive with conventional sources in many markets. Solar could be competitive within three to eight years.

Make 25 Percent of Our Energy Renewable: Edwards will require power companies to generate 25 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2025. A large expansion of renewable energy can reduce costs under current trends, according to a 2006 RAND study. In Texas, a similar requirement achieved its goals quickly with negligible costs through the accelerated development of wind power.

Dedicate Resources to Renewable Energy: Edwards will double the Department of Energy research budget, allowing it to reduce the cost and accelerate the marketability of current technologies to put clean solar, wind, and biomass into more communities. He will also encourage private investment by making permanent tax credits for the production of renewable energy; they currently expire at the end of 2008.

Maximize the Potential of Cleaner, Safer Coal: Coal will be an important source of U.S. and global electricity for decades, but it is responsible for more than 30 percent of America's carbon dioxide emissions. Edwards will invest $1 billion a year to research ways to burn coal cleanly and recycle its carbon underground permanently. He will also strengthen mine safety laws to ensure it is mined safely. Two large power companies, TXU and American Electric Power, recently announced plans to build experimental plants to capture carbon.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:35 PM
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18. Now its clear you don't know what you're talking about....
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:37 PM by BeatleBoot
kidding from a different post.

But really......

Have you seen Tata Motor Company's compressed air driven vehicles?

They hit the dealer lots in France and India this year.

You can drive 125 miles on $3.00. Fill'er up with compressed air.

And the vehicles are about 3/4 the size of gas powered minivans.

Edwards is a huge proponent of this stuff.

I don't have a link, but please google it. There are plenty of youtube's etc on the company

They just bought Daewoo and are about to buy Jaguar and Land Rover from Ford Motor Company.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:36 PM
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20. He’ll sue for self extinction...there'll be no need for energy then.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:39 PM
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25. Let me guess, less than 1,000 posts.....
Oh, 998 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You almost made it 1,000 posts.







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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:37 PM
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21. He has a plan similar to what Al Gore talked about
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:01 PM by DianaForRussFeingold
"It is time for the president of the United States to ask Americans
to be Patriotic about something other than war" John Edwards-
-lays out climate initiative http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mblXvODrEPs

Tomorrow Begins Today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1etlZaf6zUw
These may or may not be the right videos to answer your questions,but,I'm still watching the debate... I will come back and check... this is important..Listen to all the candidates. I am..

John Edwards is viable-he is not however, buy-able!
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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:38 PM
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23. We could use the hot air Hillary produces
nt
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:40 PM
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26. Another less than 1,000 posts
only 99?


Ohhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:53 PM
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30. I was a poster here from 2000 through 2006
and voluntarily left due to the snarkiness and naivete exhibited on these boards.

I am back now for election season.

Grow up.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:24 AM
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40. Name? Just curious.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:02 PM
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33. and the methane from all the shit obama spews...
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:38 PM
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24. Hillary Clinton on video speaking about nuclear energy.
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:48 PM
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29. actually, wind and solar are going to do it
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:05 PM
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34. Do you know how many birds fly into those windmills?
And nobody wants them near their property. They're ugly.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:08 PM
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35. You are misquoting him....
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:10 PM by AntiFascist
he doesn't want coal plants unless they can capture and deal with the CO2 emissions. He specifically mentioned this. As you know from the coal commercials, they do have this technology.

On edit: coal plants are the biggest producers of carbon emissions.
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:22 AM
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37. An inventor who was also marginalized --
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 01:49 AM by DianaForRussFeingold
US-Serbian inventor who lit the World and wanted free energy
for everyone including the very poor all over the Earth.
Tesla's Idea how to light up the ocean with high frequency
electricity being transmitted thought the Ionosphere.
From the book "Tesla" by Dr. Branimir Jovanovic
The tragedy of Tesla in Wardenclyffe, the tower was dismantled on July 4, 1917.
It was dynamited and razed by the mortgage holder, the proprietor of the Waldorf-Astoria

Nikola Tesla who designed the first hydro-electric power plant in Niagara Falls.
This was the victory of Tesla's Alternating Current over Edison's Direct Current...

TV show Phenomenon ( part 1 of 4 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiiblwwLPk&feature=related
Tribute to Nikola Tesla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqhncJN_Lnk
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:24 AM
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38. harsh language. nt.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:23 AM
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39. Solar !!!

Hottest venture capitalist market in the Valley today, more intensely contested than any Web 2.0 stuff. My dad is a ceramic engineer. Lots of Indians. There will be a breakthrough in a few years, sooner than you can say "President John Edwards Helps Engineer Mid-Term Democratic Sweep Of Congress".

-s
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