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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:56 PM
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Does anyone else think it was sheer genius for Hillary to remain on the Michigan ballot?
Lets face it..Michigan is a swing state..
and Hillary is now the only Dem who will be able to contest the repukes there..
Any other Dem will be attacked for ignoring Mich. and of not thinking those voters worthy of their time.
So..despite all the scornful "go uncommitted" thread..Hillary has made herself the only viable candidate to win the necessary swing state of Michigan in the general election.
where will the ootsie cutsie uncommitteds be then?
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:57 PM
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1. I don't think that vote is going to count -
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:57 PM
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2. She's not competing against Republicans there. nt
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:57 PM
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4. but she will be in the general election
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:39 PM
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21. As will whoever the Dem. nominee is. nt
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cmaff05 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:57 PM
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3. How so?
She didn't even campaign there. She only won by process of elimination.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:58 PM
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6. by remainng on the ballot ata ll..
Don't you think the Michigan voters will remember that?
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cmaff05 Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:02 PM
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10. Give Michigan voters more credit than that
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:58 PM
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5. I'd call it unscroupulas....
Or unethical Or selfish.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:59 PM
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8. I thought those Dem delagates from Mich. wouldn't count? They're being penalized for moving up the
primary
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:33 PM
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18. If Hillary wins the election, it will be her convention like it was Kerry's in 04
The delegates will be seated.

If Obama or Edwards wins, they will make sure those delegates get seated too. After all, disrespecting the working class in Michigan (who are a majority of the Democratic voters) would be absolutely stupid.

Either way the delegates will be seated.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 09:59 PM
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7. but she still didn't campaign there
I don't think it matters.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:00 PM
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9. No effect - Michigan is a blue state and will vote for the DEM
Everyone in politics knows this.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:04 PM
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13. I wouldn't be too sure of that..
anyone in politics knows THAT..
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 PM
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17. Sure, okay...MI is NOT a blue state... if that's true then we
are all wasting our time 'cause if Michigan votes GOP in 2008 then either the Dems have nominated a really bad candidate or the DEM brand name would be so damaged by that time as to lose MI ... well the DEMS would be swamped in the GE. Simple electoral map politics. But hey... what do I know? You say MI is not blue. Whatever.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:03 PM
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11. Say what???

The Michigan vote doesn't mean anything.

If, and it's a big if, they seat the delegates from the primary, she gets a few more votes to be the nominee.

Whoever the nominee is, they will be able to contend for Michigan in the general election.

She dissed the DNC by leaving her name on the ballot, and that will cost her later, either in terms of super-delegates or with just the "scab" feeling it leaves with the rest of the Democratic Party.

Michigan broke the rules of the DNC, the DNC asked that the candidates boycott Michigan, her two main rivals (and a bunch of others) did just that. Hillary didn't participate in the boycott by removing her name from the ballot. That's a scab.

It won't set well with union folks. Especially combined with her actions in NV.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:04 PM
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12. They certainly came out to vote for her.


Anyway you look at it they did.

shes is over 60000 ahead, thats bloody good.
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:15 PM
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14. Actually, the governor said that she appreciated Hillary staying on the ballot.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:20 PM
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15. Yes. You don't diss people you want to vote for you.
The Dem leadership blew it.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:21 PM
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16. Michigan is SO pissed off at Unfettered Republicanism that they'll vote for the Dem no matter what.
Bank on it.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:35 PM
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19. Some of you fail to understand what the boycott of Michigan entailed...
There was nothing in the penalty that called for candidates to take their names off the ballot. The penalty was that none of the candidates would actively campaign in the state.

This is where experience counts over enthusiasm and inexperience. If you are running seriously for an office, your name must be on the ballot. Hillary's name was on the ballot but she did not actively campaign in the state.

Kucinich, due to his own ineptness, failed to get his name removed from the ballot. Either he was being politically very sly or he is incapable of understanding the instructions. Which is it?

Both Hillary's name and Dennis's name were on the ballot. They, by not campaigning in the state, fullfilled their obligations to the DNC.

Those who removed their names were foolish. If you want to go to the prom, you better have a ticket. The ticket in this particular case was having their names on the ballot.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 10:37 PM
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20. The entire primary system is highly unfair.
Every candidate should have told the national party to go to hell and they should have campaigned in Michigan. I understand why some states moved their primaries up. They want to have more influence.
Everyone should be on the ballot and campaign in Florida too.

The national party is not going to do a thing if every Democrat running goes to these states. If they retaliate, they will have no one to run in the fall.
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