For those that mocked Dennis Kucinich for his having seen a UFO

[IndianaGreen]

Texans report seeing UFO

STEPHENVILLE, Texas (AP) -- In this farming community where nightfall usually brings clear, starry skies, residents are abuzz over reported sightings of what many believe is a UFO.

Several dozen people -- including a pilot, county constable and business owners -- say they have seen a large silent object with bright lights flying low and fast. Some reported seeing fighter jets chasing it.

"People wonder what in the world it is because this is the Bible Belt, and everyone is afraid it's the end of times," said Steve Allen, a freight company owner and pilot who said the object he saw last week was a mile long and half a mile wide. "It was positively, absolutely nothing from these parts."

While federal officials say there's a logical explanation, locals swear that it was larger, quieter, faster and lower to the ground than an airplane. They also said the object's lights changed configuration, unlike those of a plane. People in several towns who reported seeing it over several weeks have offered similar descriptions of the object.

Machinist Ricky Sorrells said friends made fun of him when he told them he saw a flat, metallic object hovering about 300 feet over a pasture behind his Dublin, Texas, home. But he decided to come forward after reading similar accounts in the Stephenville Empire-Tribune.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/14/ufo.sightings.ap/index.html

Jimmy Carter also reported seeing a UFO, as did astronaut Gordon Cooper. How about the dozens of people that saw a UFO hovering over Chicago's O'Hare last year?

The issue is government secrecy, and it was wrong to make fun of Kucinich for reporting what he saw.

[Occam Bandage]

1. It's a pity nobody ever manages to get it on tape. Or get radar readings of it. Ever.

Lewis said the object may have been an illusion caused by two commercial airplanes. Lights from the aircraft would seem unusually bright and may appear orange from the setting sun.

[Bonobo]

5. How would we know if they did? Seriously, we wouldn't.

Any footage could be faked.

The reports of the UFO sighting at Ohare airport a year ago or so were very compelling. You should read up on it.

[Kittycat]

8. Really? I never heard a thing about it.

And I'm in the Chicago area. link?

[Bonobo]

9. Here's a link to a google search. Take your pick.

http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&q=Chicago+O%27Hare+UFO+report&btnG=Google+%E6%A4%9C%E7%B4%A2&lr=

[Occam Bandage]

12. I did. Hard to avoid, living in Chicago. I believe the meteorological explanation.

A funnel cloud forming under artificial lighting conditions would look saucer-shaped. When it dissipated, it would leave a hole in the clouds. And just like "the UFO," it would be visible but would not be picked up by any form of electronic tracking.

And as one of the ATC guys said--doesn't make sense they'd travel all those billions of miles for a brief layover at O'Hare.

[Kittycat]

16. Everybody has to layover at O'Hare.

*snicker*

[drmeow]

20. LOL!!!!

[TheModernTerrorist]

41. oh man...

how do you nominate someone for a DUzy? I think this deserves one :)

[LoZoccolo]

17. They couldn't get a signal to land with all the other traffic so they turned around, lol. n/t

[Bonobo]

19. VERY experienced professionals saw it. I mean airline people.

Lots of them. As for the billions of miles thing, clearly the suspicion is that it was man-made. That's why it was at an airport.

[Occam Bandage]

21. I've a good deal of experience with airline people.

Dad was Navy, and later worked for United--which I can thank for being a Chicagoan. I worked as a bag-smasher through college; I've had more than my fill of O'Hare. I have my PPL and my instrument rating (though I almost never fly; it's way too expensive). And really, there's nothing in pilot training, military or civilian, that has to do with flying saucers.

(If it were man-made, and someone wanted to keep it secret, O'Hare at broad daylight is a bad place to be. If someone did not want to keep it secret, a several-minute layover with no further appearances ever is a bad way of divulging it.)

[Bonobo]

22. Sounds like you are accurately applying Occam's Law on this one. Probably.

[Occam Bandage]

23. Well, Occam's Razor only works if you have adequate information.

If your knowledge is incomplete, you can get cut. Hence my name. I'm open to evidence of UFOs; I'd just need it to be extraordinary before I sign on.

[John Q. Citizen]

29. What's not to sign on? Unidentified is just that. They're different in that way from the

IFO's (The identified ones)

[IndianaGreen]

7. If the craft uses stealth technology, it wouldn't show on radar

But the crafts that were chased by NATO jets a few years back did show on the radar.

[Occam Bandage]

14. Funny how they can manage to hide every wavelength but visual.

You'd think they'd want to get that one first.

[moodforaday]

43. Um, if they ever *are* hiding

the visible range of the spectrum, then they are not spotted.

Not to say that this happens, just that arguing about no-one seeing what by definition cannot be seen does not take you anyway in establishing whether something exists or not.

[origin1286]

13. Not totally true

You should research some of the more credible UFO sightings.

Rendlesham, The Battle of Los Angeles, and especially Benwater.

Snippet from Bentwater case:

On Aug. 13, 1956, British radar had picked up blips similar to a jet aircraft's–only it was moving at speeds up to 9000 mph. Technicians later told investigators for Project Blue Book that diagnostics checks indicated their radar was operating normally. The incident remained classified until 1969.

[Radical Activist]

2. Well, Texans are all crazy

so that doesn't mean much.

But Russert has had it in for Kucinich for a long time and that was a disgusting hit job.

[LoZoccolo]

3. Kucinich didn't report what he saw, that was my point.

He could have seen spacecraft from another planet, a top-secret military weapon, or an enemy aircraft, and yet the only person he told was Shirley MacLaine. That was irresponsible at best, or a scheme to get nookie at worst.

[bananas]

28. There were three other witnesses

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/01/witnesses_recount_kucinich_ufo.html

Witnesses recount Kucinich UFO encounter

Posted by Stephen Koff January 02, 2008 12:11PM
Updated with Editor & Publisher item

Paul Costanzo has had plenty of encounters with fame, thanks to his major trumpet chops and friends like Shirley MacLaine and Dennis Kucinich. Today his mug is on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. It's not because of his financial prowess, however. Rather, it's because Costanzo, 55, a Julliard-trained trumpeter, and a former girlfriend came forward to tell the Journal how Kucinich was not off his rocker when he said he saw UFOs.

They were with him at the time -- and they saw them, too, they said.

It was 1982, well before Kucinich became a congressman and presidential candidate. Staying at the Washington state home of MacLaine, who was a mutual friend, the trio saw three charcoal-gray, triangular craft, according to the recollections of Costanzo and his then-girlfriend. The girlfriend, now 50, spoke to the Journal on condition that her name not be published.

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[dweller]

30. come on, maybe it's hard for Steve Allen, Ricky Sorrels

Paul Costanza, Jimmy Carter, Gordo Cooper and unidentified others to "get nookie". Nothing works like the UFO-siting ploy!


:eyes:

dp

[greyl]

4. Most of us probably understand the technical definition of UFO, but

the description in Shirley MacLain's book was a bit ... out there.
I'll go ahead and blame her. Maybe Dennis was under the influence of legal hallucinogenics at the time. ;)

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. It is most definitely wrong to make fun of him ...

But that's what people do when they think they can get away with it...

After all, he's the loony candidate, right?

Doesn't look presidential enough, crazy ideas...

I wish the government would come clean (fat chance of that!) and tell us just what their investigations show...

Or tell us if these UFO's are something they're creating...

[IndianaGreen]

10. They mock Dennis because they fear that his ideas might take hold

They fear that people will begin to think that collectively they can bring change a lot quicker than politicians.

[Desertrose]

11. Check this video from San Diego....

Its from Fox News Jan 2008.

Its more common that you think...and I agree IG...the issue is gov't secrecy. Its not such a big deal in other countries

UFO=Unidentified Flying Object...UNIDENTIFIED.

[origin1286]

15. Bentwater

On Aug. 13, 1956, British radar had picked up blips similar to a jet aircraft's–only it was moving at speeds up to 9000 mph. Technicians later told investigators for Project Blue Book that diagnostics checks indicated their radar was operating normally. The incident remained classified until 1969.


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Probably the most credible UFO sighting ever

[MonkeyFunk]

18. He didn't just see a UFO

nobody faults him for that. We've all seen things we can't identify.

He got a message from it. That's weird.

[Fire Walk With Me]

24. I'm not aware of that last part. Please, do you have any links to more information?

[MonkeyFunk]

26. To be fair

Shirley Maclaine SAID he received a message.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1193128634148360.xml&coll=2

Kucinich "had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there," the actress, a close Kucinich friend, wrote. "Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him.

"It hovered, soundless, for 10 minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind."

[Fire Walk With Me]

27. Thanks for the link.

[maxanne]

40. so what you really meant to say

is that Shirley McLaine says he got a message from it.

You really ought to be more clear and honest in your statements.

[Barack_America]

25. "it's the end of times"

Off-topic, but that's one of the best sayings ever.

[vanboggie]

31. About the Texas UFO

The Lizard People returning for Chimp 'n Cheney, perhaps? :shrug:

[Mythsaje]

32. My father claims to have seen UFOs on a couple of different

occasions. I myself have not, though I'm certainly open to the possibility.

It occurs to me that the very mechanism by which they operate might interfere with photographic and video equipment--perhaps not on purpose, but just as a side effect. I accept many things as being within the realm of possibility, absent any proof to the contrary.

The existence of UFOs is an established fact. What they are, however, remains a point of conjecture and debate. I certainly don't know, and neither does anyone else as far as I know. If some people DO know, they're not talking.

[IndianaGreen]

33. The core issue on UFOs is government secrecy, and spending

Bill Clinton went along with Air Force's recommendation to ban the public from Freedom Ridge, a high rise mountain from which the lights of Area 51 near Groom Lake could be seen near the horizon. Why the secrecy, particularly over an installation the government claims it doesn't exist (even though I have a big poster picture of it taken by a Russian satellite)?

Then there is the lawsuit filed by workers exposed to toxic compounds on Area 51. Jonathan Turley was one of their attorneys, and he has complained that government secrecy has prevented the plaintiffs for obtaining documents showing what they were exposed to that caused so many illnesses.

Those that dismiss in knee jerk fashion UFO reports, are unwilling accomplices in a government cover up program that began right after WWII.

[robcon]

34. Ok, I won't make fun of Kucinich.

But this quote: "Those that dismiss in knee jerk fashion UFO reports, are unwilling accomplices in a government cover up program that began right after WWII" is a hoot!

[IndianaGreen]

37. The government has fanned the UFO as extraterrestials narrative

to coverup their secret programs. The most notable example was Project Mogul, a high altitude balloon equipped to detect Soviet nuclear tests. It was a Mogul balloon that crashed near Roswell. It was the government that threatened people and fed the UFO paranoia instead of telling the truth.

[robcon]

46. Still more of a hoot, IndianaGreen

Keep the laugh track coming!

[Zodiak]

35. For those that mock Kucinich over a UFO...

...on this site, you will earn my ignore. Talk about a vacuous nothing-issue promulgated by the bullshit fascist media.

DUers who repeat it in a mocking fashion and then run to other threads and scream for unity behind their candidate make me sick.

[IndianaGreen]

39. A legitimate political issue is that as President, Bill Clinton added to the UFO secrecy

by banning the public from access to Freedom Ridge near Area 51.

[progressoid]

36. I saw a UFO...IN MY PANTS!

Oops, wrong thread.

[Pawel K]

38. I guess not a single person in that town had a camera?

[riqster]

42. One doesn't have to be loony to see UFOs

...and THAT is the point.

I have seen some odd things, went and researched them, and have settled on the hypothesis that they were meteorological phenomena. The people who saw the same odd things have arrived at the conclusion that we saw alien spacecraft.

NONE of us are loons. We disagree on what we saw, but we saw the same things.

[cobalt1999]

47. but you do have to be loony to think you are receiving messages from them.

That is the real point.

[riqster]

48. Kooch never said that. Shirley said he did.

SHE is a loon.

[redqueen]

44. Thanks for posting this, and for your comments...

I doubt that the smug know-it-alls will change their tune, though.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Alright, I'll mock them too.

:shrug: