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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:14 PM
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Obama: Experience...Hillary: not so much...
I am so sick and tire of all this business about how Hillary has so much experience. For christ sake she has only been in elected office for 7 years. ONLY 7 NOT 35. Please tell me what gives her more experience than Obama and Edwards...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:15 PM
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1. She's married the a former president.
Just like George W. Bush was qualified because he was the son of a former president.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:20 PM
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3. LOL
if you are comparing HRC to GWB you are going way, WAY too far - HRC has her faults but she ain't no SHRUB
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:22 PM
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6. I'm only comparing their qualifications.
Well, also their support for the war. But in this case I'm comparing their qualifications.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:42 PM
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13. sorry, GWB is not qualified for anything
HRC is a very intelligent, accomplished woman
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:26 PM
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14. No, she's not.
She's the former president's wife. That's the only reason anybody's heard of her.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:26 PM
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8. I agree.
But she has seen the oval office from behind the curtain so to speak.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:07 PM
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22. Actually, right now we are comparing years of experience in public office.
GWB served as governor of TX how many years? Thing is the governor of TX is only the 3rd most powerful person in the state. I guess some conservative Dem did all the work for W.

But Obama has more legislative experience than Hillary. That is a fact.

As far as national security, well Hillary wasn't privvy to that info when she served as First Lady.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:16 PM
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2. Obama said something good today in Reno
it went something like this ...

people are slamming him for having hope

people are saying Obama isn't "seasoned" enough to be in DC

people must think they need to boil the hope out of Obama before he can be in DC and be president
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:21 PM
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4. He does have a way with words. I loved the way he put it.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:36 PM
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12. i'm having a hard time with..
the boil part...? what is he ...a chicken??? lol..
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:21 PM
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5. in the senate twice as long and "community"/professional activism for 35 years. Plus Bill.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 08:23 PM by Proud2BAmurkin
It's going to be a Billary presidency. no contest
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:26 PM
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7. Obama has been in elected office longer than she has..
Obama has worked for the communities of Chicago for years. Being first lady doesn't count as a whole lot of leadership. So, I hope you are not trying to tac her husband's resume onto her's.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:30 PM
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10. See my post in this thread: "Experience." Obama does not compare
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:29 PM
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9. Experience
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 08:48 PM by wyldwolf
Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971: Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

*** The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)***

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (Lost)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (Won)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

* She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

* Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

* Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

* Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07


When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''


1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety




Sources:

Wikipedia
Firstladies.org
Alternet
hillaryclinton.com
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:34 PM
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11. thanks..
I was looking in my archives for this one. :yourock:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:26 PM
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15. Yes, the others do lack that all important First Lady experience.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 PM
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16. Can Obama even count last year as part of his Senate experience?
With as many votes as he has missed?

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:29 PM
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17. Put that standard to the two of them and Obama still comes out ahead.
:shrug:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 01:39 PM
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18. Hillary has missed far less votes than Obama both this year and for her Senate career
Which is twice as long as Obama's.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/02/obama.missed.votes/index.html

Here's WaPo cataloging of his missed votes.

Barack Obama has missed 166 votes (37.6%) during the current Congress

Below are lists of total votes missed (not just this session).

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/missed/

Hillary Clinton has missed 103 votes (23.3%) during the current Congress.

Below is a list of her total votes missed (not just this session)

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/c001041/votes/missed/
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:03 PM
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19. Obama is experienced at voting "present" and pandering to gay~hating bigots...
that's the kind of experience he brings to the table.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:04 PM
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20. Kyl-Lieberman; Obama couldn't even bother to show up. Now, that's leadership!
:woohoo:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:19 AM
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25. Hillary voted for it, now that's bad leadership
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:07 PM
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21. "I am so sick and tire of all this bus. about how Hillary"" I am pissed about this Nevada Caucus su"
I think we get the picture...
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:35 PM
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23. How about both of them...... not so much experience.?
Obama's experience before his Senate win, is a couple of terms in the state senate. Give me a break. Hillary had no elective office before 2000.

They're both thin on the experience side, and McCain beats both of them on that easily.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:11 AM
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24. kick nt
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:22 AM
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26. There is such a striking difference for me when i see them in debates...
talk about policy. Plus, even though she failed her healthcare initiative, she learned a LOT doing it. She was also involved with the school system and healthcare policy during Bill's time as Governor. and she's been a U.S. senator twice as long as he has.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:45 AM
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27. Have you gotten an answer for this 'cuz I'm still waiting.
Perhaps you should try the "Day One", "Day Two" technique.
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