Can you imagine if one of Obama's surrogates called Clinton "stupid"?

[cali]

Just how is Rangel's attack any better than what Jackson said?

And it comes at a very bad time. Lovely to see Clintonians defending this.

Hypocrisy. Pure and simple.

[mr715]

1. Unsure

But Charlie Rangel has a dog in this fight, given that he was involved in the civil rights movement.

[aquart]

24. That thing the older people were in, but not the younger ones?

[jasmine621]

67. And Rangel did NOT call Obama stupid. Antother distortion.

But who is keeping score on distortions?

[AGirl]

2. Rangel speaks on behalf of himself..

[The Magistrate]

3. Rep. Rangel, Ma'am, Speaks For Himself

And generally does so plainly and bluntly....

[cali]

23. Not believable , Mr. M.

Rangel is a long time and key supporter of the Senator's and this is a pattern. Rangel as a high ranking supporter of Clinton's is not straying from the script, he's following it.

[aquart]

26. You keep that up, you hear?

I want you to walk up to Charlie Rangel and call him a puppet, a ventriloquist's dummy...a poor vacant object unable to think for itself.

Here's a shocking piece of information: it's legal for Charlie Rangel to support Hillary Clinton and speak on her behalf.

[cali]

33. Double standard much?

After the crap you threw up about Jackson- someone I also condemned for speaking in a shit manner. Listen up: Rangel is a public figure, bucko, and I have every right in the world to criticize him. don't like it? Tough.

[aquart]

49. Sweetie, Charlie will eat you for appetizers.

Criticize him all you please. Shout it from the housetops. He's the Chairman of Ways and Means and nothing happens without his okay.

Your guy got caught. And spanked. Now he's backtracking (I was about to say "like Michael Jackson doing a moonwalk" but I'm sure that'll be something else we can't say about that fine fellow Obama).

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

34. You sure see a lot of "patterns"

A few weeks ago you were denouncing Biden's racial insensitivity over a bogus incident, expressing your contempt for anyone who couldn't see how clearly racist it was.

Carry on.

[The Magistrate]

35. The thing In The Round, Ma'am, Might Be Helpful

'“How race got into this thing is because Obama said ‘race,’” Rangel tells Political Anchor Dominic Carter. “But there is nothing that Hillary Clinton has said that baffles me. I would challenge anybody to belittle the contribution that Dr. King has made to the world, to our country, to civil rights, and the Voting Rights Act. But for him to suggest that Dr. King could have signed that act is absolutely stupid. It’s absolutely dumb to infer that Doctor King, alone, passed the legislation and signed it into law.”

Rangel was responding to remarks Obama made Sunday while campaigning in Las Vegas: “I am baffled by that statement by the Senator. She made an ill-advised statement about Dr. King, suggesting that Lyndon Johnson had more to do with the Civil Rights Act. For them to somehow suggest that we’re interjecting race as a consequence of a statement she made, that we haven’t commented on, is pretty hard to figure out.”

(Campaigning in New Hampshire last Monday, Clinton said: “Dr. Martin Luther king led a movement. He was gassed. He was beaten, and then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil laws passed. The dream couldn’t be realized until finally it was legally permissible.”)'

You will not that nowhere does Rep. Rangel call anyone stupid: he characterizes a statement as stupid and dumb. In doing so, he stretches the statement he criticizes a bit, but so did Sen. Obama stretch the statement by Sen. Clinton he commented on a bit.

[cali]

41. He also gratuitously brings up Obama's youthful drug use

something high ranking officials have been wont to do. This is the second time in two days that AA supporters of Clinton's have managed to get that in.

And frankly, Clinton's supporters have indeed introduced race into this campaign. From Iowa to NH, they've done it repeatedly. Obama may not have responded to it perfectly, but he's been put in a very dicey spot- and I don't buy that all these comments have been off the cuff.

[hezekkia]

43. I'm sure it's just a coinky-dink! eom

[The Magistrate]

48. It Will Be Brought Up, Ma'am

For most people, cocaine is a different league from marijuana, and that is a distinction of long standing: even in the seventies, police efforts regarding cocaine were far more intense than those directed at marijuana. Anyone who thinks it would not feature in a general election campaign for President against the Republicans is engaged in self-deception. Sen. Obama might well prove able to beat back or neutralize such the line of attack, but it would certainly be attempted.

[Mojorabbit]

69. And that is fine

but it shouldn't be our party doing it. Let the republicans do it. We don't need to eat our own.

[aquart]

50. That wasn't gratuitous. He did it on purpose.

In case you didn't notice (and you obviously didn't since you're still clinging to the lie that the Clintons introduced race into the campaign), your man got SPANKED in public by the Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. Even if he wins the presidency, Obama is not doing ANYTHING without Charlie.

Are you VERY new to politics?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

47. I had not known that Senator Obama said that

If he really took umbrage at Senator Clinton "suggesting that Lyndon Johnson had more to do with the Civil Rights Act (than MLK)" then he is intentionally sowing racial dissension for narrow political advantage, or he's a dumb-ass.

And he's not a dumb-ass.

No person "had more to do with the Civil Rights Act" of 1964 than Lyndon Baines Johnson. It is an incontrovertible historical fact.

As Paul Mooney says, "Know your history."

[aquart]

51. He got nervous about South Carolina. He MUST win there.

Perfectly understandable in a green candidate with nothing more to offer than his novelty.

[Mojorabbit]

70. I don't agree

He signed it into legislation but the movement had started and if it had not been him it would have been someone else.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. That's true

As a New Yorker, I actually find Rangel's whole schtick charming, even though I am now firmly in the Obama camp.

It's a New yawkah thing. Some folks wouldn't understand.

:-)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Rangel is a total moron for supporting the Iraqi insurgents.

As far as I know, Rangel has never supported the Iraqi insurgents, but as long as we're just resorting to ad hominem attacks based on things people have never done...

[The Magistrate]

36. Always A Pleasure, Sir, To See Someone Getting Totally Into The Spirit Of The Thing....

[MonkeyFunk]

4. Why is everybody

now a "surrogate"?

Doesn't anybody speak for himself anymore? Or is everybody speaking for their candidate at all times?

And have you ever allowed a thought to pass without starting a thread on it?

[sufrommich]

14. I was wondering the same thing. How much control can

a candidate have over other Democrats?Maybe Rangel just pissed off enough with the bullshit to speak for himself.

[creeksneakers2]

61. That's what I've been asking too

I noticed when one of these remarks that people feel offended about, reporters call up people outside the campaigns for comment. Whatever sounds like an offensive statement gets reported. How can any candidate be responsible for what everybody else says?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. Rangel always talks like that when he's defending his candidates. I like it.

because it's usually aimed at Bush.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. It's also ironic.

A Clinton supporter calling Obama stupid, that is.

:evilgrin:

[aquart]

52. He called what he DID stupid.

It was a public spanking and Obama got the message immediately. Because he ain't stupid. Just green.

[Occam Bandage]

7. Jackson spoke for himself. Rangel spoke for himself. Both spoke poorly

and offensively.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

19. That was the point the OP was making I think - one that no one seems to address

Except that you just did.

[aquart]

53. Rangel didn't speak "poorly." He spoke deliberately.

He spanked Obama in public and Obama got the message.

[Occam Bandage]

58. I would disagree.

[msongs]

8. obama surrogates on DU have called Hillary Clinton much worse nt

[Occam Bandage]

9. The word "surrogate" has now lost all meaning.

[aquart]

16. "Fans"? "Supporters"? "Rabid attack dogs"?

Did people refuse to buy the latest lie so now its being rescinded? I am so impressed.

[Occam Bandage]

18. Supporters. And what lie would you be referring to? The Obama camp never played the race card.

[aquart]

27. Okay, I had to stop laughing. WHAT?????

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. Obama's camp hasn't played the race card.

If you think he has, please cite any instance where you think he or his official campaign has.

[aquart]

40. I think I'll let Charlie Rangel by my "surrogate."

“How race got into this thing is because Obama said ‘race,’” Rangel tells Political Anchor Dominic Carter. “But there is nothing that Hillary Clinton has said that baffles me. I would challenge anybody to belittle the contribution that Dr. King has made to the world, to our country, to civil rights, and the Voting Rights Act. But for him to suggest that Dr. King could have signed that act is absolutely stupid. It’s absolutely dumb to infer that Doctor King, alone, passed the legislation and signed it into law.”

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4066583>

[Occam Bandage]

42. Please provide link to Obama campaign playing the race card.

[creeksneakers2]

62. If you can get a link to NBC News tonight

Obama said Hillary "knocked us a little off our game." He's supporting the ridiculous "it was all a plot by the Clintons" new line of reasoning.

[Occam Bandage]

64. So, how is that Obama playing the race card?

And if he never did play the race card (as the silence of everyone asked the above question would indicate), wouldn't it stand to reason that Hillary's attacks were indeed fabrications of her own campaign?

[creeksneakers2]

76. I don't believe it was Obama's idea to play the race card

I think somebody stirred up all this trouble and it took on a life of its own.

Hillary said nothing wrong. You can find things people in her campaign said wrong but there are thousands of people and there's no way to prevent one from saying something stupid. People in the Obama campaign in South Carolina put out the race card memo and I don't blame Obama for that either. If Obama's supporters were all contacted and questioned, more inflammatory statements could be harvested.

A lot of people who don't like Hillary get suckered in whenever somebody produces a negative story about her. Its amazing what they'll believe. Then when the people who don't like Hillary are proven wrong, they don't like to admit it. So they come up with bizarre conspiracy theories to explain away their foolishness. This time it was all because Hillary plotted to trick them.

Obama played into that, which is unfair, but I don't blame him that much. He had to put a stop to all this and that was the easiest way to do it.

[Occam Bandage]

77. Hillary said nothing wrong. Neither did Obama.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. That wouldn't be a proper citation. That's pretty much hearsay.

"But for him to suggest that Dr. King could have signed that act is absolutely stupid."

Obama's never suggested any such thing.

Got anything else?

[aquart]

54. Don't need to. Obama got the message.

Obama is a lot smarter than the crowd that follows him.

[Occam Bandage]

59. So would that be an admission of failure, then?

[Cha]

22. WAAAAAAAAAAAh poor

poor hillary.

[aquart]

55. Wasn't Hillary getting spanked in public today.

It was Obama.

[Mike03]

10. Glad you are pointing these things out.

For those of us out of the loop or who have not paid attention the past few days, your obersvations are invaluable. Thank you.

[aquart]

11. Rangel called Obama "stupid"?

[rox63]

20. Yes he did - see link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4066583

[aquart]

37. Ah. Rangel noticed that Obama played the "race" card.

Yeah, I noticed it, too. My thought was that he thought he needed to shore up the black vote in SC.

Charlie said what Obama DID was absolutely stupid. I mean, maybe it fooled the little newborn voters who weren't alive at the time, but the rest of us KNOW how things happened. And it exposed Obama where he wasn't that visible before.

We now know Obama will look us in the eye and most sincerely lie. Look how he's rushing to cover his gaffe. Wasn't that statement to his supporters just the sweetest, noblest, bestest thing?

Obama can't fool an old warrior like Charlie.

[Occam Bandage]

65. Obama has not played the race card, nor has his campaign.

[2rth2pwr]

12. If the shoe fits, and all. nt

[Barack_America]

13. Absolutely not...

Can you imagine the fallout from that?

I wonder if Bill is also compiling a list of the 80-instances in which Hillary's surrogates have fucked up. He should be (even though his name would be on there several times)

[ruggerson]

15. Do you honestly think the Clintons control Charlie Rangel?

Then you don't know Charlie Rangel.

[aquart]

21. Charlie kicked Cheney out of his office space.

Sufficient reason to simply adore Charlie Rangel.

[durrrty libby]

17. "Surrogate"? Is Rangel having Hillary's baby?

[Occam Bandage]

25. ...

Worst. Song. Ever.

[durrrty libby]

30. Oh .........Paul....... .....:swoon:

[DJ13]

28. Hypocrisy. Pure and simple.

Anyone else notice that despite the protestations of the Hillary supporters, the only real issue seems to be race, not sexism?

One after another Hillary big shot supporter comes out of the woodwork making some comment related to race in some way, yet how many big shot Obama supporters have made statements about Hillary's sex?

Old GOP tactic, monopolize the conversation instead of talking about real issues.

[aquart]

57. If you don't understand your candidate, prepare for many surprises.

Many many many surprises.

[Thrill]

38. Still waiting on them to apologize for Bob Johnson

so you can forget this

[2rth2pwr]

66. Why should they apologize for a grown man? nt

[Bethany Rockafella]

39. I haven't heard what Rangel said but he always speaks his mind.

Sometimes it's not so nice.

[Quixote1818]

45. I agree. Rangel's comments were "stupid" and offensive! Especially since Obama

has taken the high road and put a lid on all this.

[aquart]

56. LOL!

Oh wait, you actually believe that.

[Occam Bandage]

60. He did. His campaign didn't say a word about this whole affair. That's taking the high road.

Then he asked his supporters to stop firing back. That's putting a lid on it, while taking the high road.

Sorry you got out-classed by B. Hussein Obama.

Yet again.

[bunnies]

46. No way.

The whole world would explode accusations of misogyny... etc. Its an idiotic double standard. No wonder why non-Clinton people are so upset. And rightfully so.

[rufus dog]

63. you ever notice that Rangel sounds exaclty like Susan Estrich

Nothing more, just a comment.

[Catherine Vincent]

68. I doubt if much would be made about it.

Maybe ask for an apology. Clinton has been called all kinds of names in the book. A "bitch" recently by a McCain supporter. She's used to it.

[Colobo]

71. They would be crying more than Hillary did.

[MzShellG]

72. I recall the article about Hillary....

Calling on her super delegates for favors. They're coming out of the woodworks now.

[indimuse]

73. cali..

I see you brought JJJ up...hmm funny I'm still waiting for an intelligent answer.peek a boo I see you!

[asdjrocky]

74. That would be so cool!

We could all run out onto the playground and yell, "Fight, fight!"

[OzarkDem]

75. Obama & Clinton have called a truce, have you?

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