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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:22 PM
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My prediction is that if HIllary wins the nomination she will offer the VP slot to Obama
Whether he accepts it or not, ultimately will be his choice. But Hillary is nothing but pragmatic. If she feels she is not getting the numbers in the black community she needs to win the general election, she will throw out the play book and find a solution. She did exactly that when she was down double digits in New Hampshire and won. If you say Obama would never accept, you are deluding yourself. If the case is made that he needs to be on the ticket so the democrats have their best shot at winning, he will get on the ticket. It's as simple as that. Country before ego. It may be a bit awkward at first but they'll make it work.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:25 PM
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1. I sure hope that he wouldn't return the favor. nt
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:25 PM
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2. Quite Likely, Sir
Professionals have been looking forward to that ticket since this all began last year....
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:53 PM
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27. What Professionals? nt
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:26 PM
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3. Wesley Clark will be her VP, if she is the nominee.
She will NOT choose Obama.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:27 PM
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6. if she'snot polling over 90% black support by June
Obama will get on the ticket. Bank on it.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:18 AM
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35. Political expediency = Clark
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:27 PM
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4. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Obama should not play second fiddle.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:28 PM
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Cheney
Didn't seem to bother Cheney too much.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:27 PM
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5. Not gonna happen
Her ego wouldnt allow a VP that could outshine her every time he made a speech.
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mr715 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:28 PM
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7. Like Kerry? n/t
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:28 PM
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8. Too much to run the first woman and first African-American on the same ticket
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:54 PM
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29. Pffff, it's not about race. It's about states.
When the time comes, Clinton will pick the VP who'll deliver the most purple states. That will be Jim Webb or Evan Bayh.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:28 PM
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10. her ego wouldn't allow her to lose the general election
As I said, if the numbers don't look good for her, she will throw the playbook out the window.

The Clinton's are winners. They find ways to win.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:28 PM
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9. yup her IWR vote and sticking with it lets her do that without needing a warrior VP
eom
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mr715 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:30 PM
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11. It is the obvious choice.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 07:31 PM by mr715
Northeast with Mid-West, the South not in the electoral strategy.

Intellectual, Ivory Tower Liberals with Blue Collar, Union, WalMart Democrats.

It would be a rebirth of the New Deal Coalition, led by a woman and a black Democrat.


Can you even imagine? I have trouble picturing it. Can you imagine Clinton/Obama or EVEN Obama/Clinton... the absolute power of it is overwhelming. It makes me proud.

And it makes me sad to see em hurling mud over nothing.


And add to the mix issue familiarity, experience, and "golden era comfort" with dynamism, charisma, and incredible oratory.


Its flawless
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:33 PM
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12. Even Obama wouldnt make me eager to vote for Clinton.
That ticket would sadden me.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:48 PM
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13. Not her old friend of 30 years, Joe Lieberman?
Recalling that it was B. Clinton who dictated that Gore choose Lieberman (a Clinton friend of 30 years) as Gore's VP running mate in the 2000 election. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Clinton/Lieberman ticket, although HRC would have to wrestle Lieberman away from John McCain...

Jewish Favorite Clinton back on track:
http://www.thejc.com/home.aspx?ParentId=m11s19&SecId=19&AId=57358&ATypeId=1

USA Today: What's New? A McCain/Lieberman ticket in '08?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/whats-new-10.html
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:52 PM
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14. It would be Obama over his mentor, Lieberman. nt.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:04 AM
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40. Good Catch
"The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.

"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.

http://ex-donkey.mu.nu/archives/166079.php
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mr715 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:53 PM
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Is it just me
or this this post dripping with tacit anti-semitism?
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:58 PM
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17. It's just you.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 08:05 PM by keepCAblue
Dripping with OVERT references to CRONYISM, yes, anti-Semitism, no. (Does including a link to a Jewish website which confirms the Lieberman endorsement of McCain make one anti-Semitic or simply one who grabs at the first Google news hit that comes up on the page? Hmmm...perhaps your sensitivity meter is set a tad bit too low)
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:00 PM
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18. What makes you think that Clinton "dictated" that Gore choose Lieberman?
One purpose of Lieberman as a choice was to distance Gore from Clinton because Lieberman had said very negative things about Clinton during the Monica scandal.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:50 PM
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22. No. Lieberman was Al Gore's CHOICE for Veep...and a FINE choice it was...
Brilliant strategy brought to the Democratic party courtesy of Al Gore.:eyes:

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:10 PM
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34. LOL
Hate makes people say idiotic things
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:53 PM
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15. I expect so, too. They are peas in a pod.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:53 PM
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16. Country before ego...like when Obama didn't deep-six John Kerry in 2004
You know the reward he got for that.
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Josh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:02 PM
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19. She HAS to.
The power he has out there is significant, and there are people (independents and some Republicans too) who WANT to vote for Obama, but don't necessarily want to vote for Hillary. If she puts him on the ticket she gives everyone who wants to see him in the White House a reason to come out and support him - they'll just have to wait a bit longer.

I think it would be a tremendously powerful ticket, and I say this as a big Clark supporter.

And you know what, if Hillary is clever and does win the nomination and offer the VP slot to Barack, she should say to hell with him overpowering her - she NEEDS that. She should say, "Go out and be as charismatic as you want!" and LET HIM. She can inspire the people who feel we need experienced leadership, he can inspire everyone else who wants a generational change. It'd be tremendous! :)
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:43 PM
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21. well if you have those fellings for Obama then you should be voting for him to be President
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:03 AM
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38. Good point
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:34 PM
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20. Hell no--she shouldn't be allowed to ride his popularity and likability
for her own gain--he stands to gain nothing by being number three in a weird power-share with her and Bill. I hope he says no.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:08 PM
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23. Obama's likability won't do her any good
Obama's likability won't do Hillary any good as a VP, after how nasty the campaign has gotten lately between the two they would never get along, and I couldn't blame Obama if he turned down a VP offer from Hillary, she would just be a lead weight to his political ambitions by associating himself so closely with her. At the same time though, I agree that Hillary had better at least offer Obama a VP slot if she gets the nomination, in order to try to fix some damage their fight has caused her.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:42 PM
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24. Don't think so. Either Gen. Clark or Webb. IMHO nt
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:48 PM
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25. Clark, yes. Not so sure about Webb. nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:52 PM
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26. Webb would be a smarter choice. Clark delivers little she won't get already
I don't think we'll see Oklahoma, Louisiana, Missouri, or Florida landing in the Clinton column--states that Clark might put into play. He could deliver Arkansas, but then so could Bill Clinton.

Webb reaches into states like West Virginia, Virginia, and North Carolina and would probably swing a lot of weight in Ohio and Pennsylvania. I'm not sure Clark would help so much there. Webb is hands down the best choice. The Clintons will lose most of the "Reagan Democrats", but Webb might just drag a few more back in.
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Jennifer C Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:55 PM
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31. I love him, and would be happy to see him on the ticket
He's one of my favorite Senators. Has Webb endorsed anyone yet?

I agree he's the smartest choice, however I was under the impression Hillary felt humiliated by Webb after he laughed at her for signing on as a co-sponsor to his amendment, when she was covering her tracks after the backlash of her Kyl-Lieberman vote.

Hmmm on simply a marketing note "Clinton/Webb", the name alone is weird....immediate subconscious reminder: the Clinton years, a very tangled web...
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:53 PM
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28. I hope so. Wasn't there tension b/w Kerry and Edwards before
Kerry chose Edwards for his VP? It's what the people wanted, so Kerry had to do it.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 10:01 PM
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30. My prediction is he will not accept.
If she is the nominee, whether she wins or loses, he would be better off not being associated with her.
Obama would be the heir apparent either way. I hope he payed attention to Gore's fate.
He would have better to have stayed in the Senate and run in 2000 without the Clinton taint.
He would have won, if he had. I hope Obama learns from learns from Gore's cautionary tale.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:06 PM
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32. I predict she will ask Richardson-in fact I think Obama would also offer it to him
Hispanic, western battleground area, and not only qualified to be president he would be a great campaigner and is a good person. I don't think they will ask each other to be the others running mate because it seems there is growing animosity between them.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 11:08 PM
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33. It would be an unstoppable ticket
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:33 AM
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36. That would be a great ticket.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:58 AM
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37. He's blown that out of the water with his Swiftboat tactics.
Which is a shame, because a Clinton/Obama ticket would've been very strong.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:04 AM
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39. You're capable of being intelligent
This isn't one of those times.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:10 AM
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41. One Of LBJ's Supporters Said Kennedy Was A "Spavined Hunchback"
They spread the now found to be true rumors that he had Addison's Disease ...

But JFK and LBJ were pragmatic politicians who needed each other...

Look for Clinton-Obama...

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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:14 AM
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42. A Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket would mean 16 years of Dem presidents
I'm all for it.
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