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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:04 PM
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Edwards: The Real "Fairy Tale" is Thinking Change Begins With Washington Politicians
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 03:05 PM by JohnLocke
Edwards: The Real "Fairy Tale" is Thinking Change Begins With Washington Politicians
John Edwards for President
Sunday, January 13, 2008

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Sumter, South Carolina – In remarks today at Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church, John Edwards said that real change begins with leaders like Martin Luther King, Jr. and with the American people, not with politicians in Washington. Edwards attended the service with Rep. Leon Howard, head of the South Carolina Legislative Black Caucus, and the Rev. James Blassingame. Excerpts of Edwards’ remarks follow:

“I’d love to speak with you this morning, not just as a candidate for president, but also as a fellow southerner who has traveled from Seneca to Sumter and a lot of places in between. You know, much has changed since James and I left Seneca. When we were in Seneca, we weren’t allowed to go to school together. But as glory be to God, today we can worship together.

“And this may come as a surprise to some of you, coming from another presidential candidate, me, but as someone who grew up in the segregated South, I feel an enormous amount of pride when I see the success that Senator Barack Obama is having in this campaign.

“And some days, now I’d be less than honest if I didn’t say some days I wish he was having a little less success, but it gives me great pride to see the reception he has received. We have come a long way in the 54 years that I’ve been on this earth, but not far enough. We still have work to do. And the hopes that both Senator Obama and I have for this nation and this country that we love so much, they’re real hopes.

“I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Reverend Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician. I fundamentally disagree with that. Those who believe that real change starts with Washington politicians have been in Washington too long and are living in a fairy tale.

“Real change has never started in Washington. Real change came from those who fought in the trenches -- those who shed their blood, sweat and tears, and those who suffered broken bones. Real change started in Selma. Real change started with Rosa Parks. Real change started with the Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King and the brave men who sat down at a luncheon counter at Woolworth’s in Greensboro, North Carolina. Real change started in churches just like this across America and across the South. And real change started not far from here in Orangeburg, South Carolina.

“We are not being true to ourselves or the heroes of Greensboro, Selma, Birmingham and Orangeburg if we do not continue this journey to bring about real change. And you can’t take a single step on this journey unless you stand on the truth. And let me say here, that what I say to you today, I say in front of all audiences, no matter black, white -- including audiences where there is not a single African American.

"The dream is strong and the dream still lives, but we still live in two different Americas. One America for those who are doing extraordinarily well and one for everybody else. We’ve still got two public school systems in America. One for wealthy, affluent suburban areas and one for everybody else. We’ve got two health care systems in America. One for those who can afford the best health care money can buy and one for everybody else. We’ve got two economies in this country. One for those who make millions and millions of dollars every year and one for those who are struggling just to get by and pay the bills.

“You know what I’m talking about. That’s what this election is about and we can do better than this. America can do better than this. We’re better than this as a people and we’re better than this as a nation. We want to live in a country where every single child has the same high quality public school education. We want to live in an America where everybody has health care through a universal health care system for every man, woman and child, not where the wealthy get good health care and everybody else struggles. We want to live in an America where 37 million people don’t wake up every day living in poverty, literally worried about feeding and clothing their children.

“What this election is about—it’s not about me and it’s not about any of the other candidates—what the election is about is building one America.”

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20080113-fairy-tale/
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:09 PM
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1. Jesus, could have have squeezed in anymore grandstanding in that


That was an epic, Gone with the Wind was shorter. Its so obvious now, Edwards is playing for the VP slot again.
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:27 PM
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4. I'd rather see Obama as the VP with Edwards but if the reverse happens, I'm ok with it.
It's just not fair how much media attention he's being denied. Makes me crazy...
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:24 PM
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6. The media is part of the problem (corporate stranglehold on that too)
Of course they're going to deny him any coverage or if he gets any, it'll be negative. They don't want him raining on their robber baron money parade.
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:18 PM
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33. Correct... Now There Was An Oratory With Some Substance! Wish The Other Two Candidates Would Say
Something As Meaningful As John Edwards! :patriot:
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:33 AM
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53. The ONLY thing the other two can say is
what they can't say with any certainty! Vague notions of "change" - about as honest and straightforward as predicting the shape of a cloud.

Edwards talks STRAIGHT OUT and can look you STRAIGHT in the eye while doing so. His opponents aren't even in the same league.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:34 PM
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23. No, he wasn't playing for VP
He was in a (I think) black church, it would have been disingenuous if he hadn't mentioned Obama. His friend James is a minister there, and I didn't know until now that his friend is black. And the only way I know that is that he said that the 2 of them couldn't go to school together. But, they were best friends all through school and still are friends. I remember reading about the 3 or 4 friends who made a pact that they were going to go to college and they all did.

zalinda
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:10 AM
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44. He doesn't want VP. Enough of that with John Forbes Kerry. (n/t)
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:21 PM
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38. Yea who wants to deal with facts and reality
When we can deal with the constant petty sniping going on between the Clinton and Obama camps right now. I wouldn't want to see any substance getting in the way of their useless sniping.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:48 PM
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42. Actually, 'Gone With the Wind' was much longer
I had a roommate in college who watched the damn movie almost every weekend.


That said, ridiculing a candidate for a populist position is kinda... well.... I hope 'gone w/ the wind'.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:54 AM
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51. Not necessarily. Edwards is very smart. That is not necessarily
the game plan. As a matter of fact, I would be a little surprised if he accepted the VP slot. Edwards is a gentleman and a person of moral character who lives an ethical life. That is who Edwards is. Some people consider primarily their own self-interest in every decision they make. Others can detach themselves from what would be in their own self-interest and make decisions based on the interest of their family, their community, their country or even the world.

Edwards acknowledges that Obama's success diminishes Edwards' own success, but he appears to understand that Obama's acceptance in this primary election is a milestone and therefore a success for the whole nation. I am an Edwards supporter. It isn't that I don't like Obama. It is that I prefer Edwards. Edwards is really, in my opinion, the best human being in this race. He also happens to have the best ideas and policy proposals. I like the fact that Edwards is opposed to nuclear energy, for example. That is very important to me. I like Edwards' personality, his speaking style, everything about him better than I like Obama. Edwards speaks for me. And one of Edwards' statements that I agree with is that he is pleased that Obama is so well accepted by people of all races in this primary. That is a victory not only for Obama but also for the American people.

Being president or vice-president is important, but there other very important things also matter in this race. Edwards is getting delegates. We shall see how the race turns out in the end. I'm volunteering for Edwards and as such working hard to get him elected. We Edwards volunteers are quite serious about what we are doing. I'm finding a lot of Edwards voters in my precinct. And what makes me so proud is that the Edwards voters I meet are, without exception, really great human beings.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:57 PM
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69. ya gotta love it
"Gone with the wind was shorter than that"

It was a stump speech, and a good one.

All the candidates make stump speechses, mostly good ones.


We don't need your kind here.

Welcome to DU (not)
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:24 PM
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72. If Obama loses in SC and NV he's done.

His "i'm more electable" argument falls into pieces.

He'll play for VP under Edwards in that case, as Edwards is in it for the entire race and has far more to offer than just electability, even though he wins that contest hands down as well.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:16 PM
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2. Sending to the greatest
:hi:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:34 PM
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17. Same here!
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:21 PM
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3. That was pretty good
The question now is, do we have an MLK or a Malcolm X or anyone else willing to put it all on the line for the cause of freedom?

My guess is, no. Look at the reception Cindy Sheehan has had, and that was only regarding the "proper way to protest an illegal war."
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:34 PM
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10. Cindy began to buy her own press, though.
Cindy started to come off as phony, and in love with the limelight and other people's perception of her importance..... over the death of her son and preventing other sons and daughters from dying over lies.

I think there are people willing to die, just as there are people willing to go to jail. The game has changed, though. It isn't necessary. It hasn't changed so much that change starts at the top rather than the bottom.


I like the headline. Edwards is right when he says that.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:50 PM
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12. The game hasn't changed, though
"The government has failed us; you can’t deny that. Anytime you live in the twentieth century, 1964, and you walkin' around here singing “We Shall Overcome,” the government has failed us.
This is part of what’s wrong with you — you do too much singing. Today it’s time to stop singing and start swinging. You can’t sing up on freedom, but you can swing up on some freedom."

Malcolm X

And what happened to Cindy and some of the others who dared to speak out was outrageous. Expect no one else to stick their necks out, knowing that even our side will attack them.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:28 PM
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13. Malcolm needed Martin, Martin needed Malcolm.
You need both. Fire without compromise doesn't get you anywhere in the long run, either. You won't have a place to sit at the table, you'll be marginalized. Martin was getting more fiery, Malcolm was mellowing after Mecca........ and they both were assassinated before they could truly meld their philosophies.

I wonder what both of them would say, if they were alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Imhdpo9ss"> Boondock's version of Dr. King

off topic: the commentary made by rune, before showing the mashed clips, at the 0:55 mark, is important, i believe.

Cindy was right to fight. Cindy should have been careful of Hugo Chavez (but many people should have been. I remember when he was supposed to represent something good. He's not). Cindy bit off too much in trying to fight Pelosi, but I wished her well in it anyway.

People are still willing to sacrifice. The game has changed, I mean, from the 60s because America is different from the 60s. We have to fight 2000 battles, not 60s battles.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:07 PM
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16. As Malcom said:
"I want Dr. King to know that I didn't come to Selma to make his job difficult. I really did come thinking I could make it easier. If the white people realize what the alternative is, perhaps they will be more willing to hear Dr. King."

No one seems to be listening and doing the peaceful way. If that's the case, then the powers that be need to be reminded of the "alternative," and why throwing us various bones would be in their greater interest.

As for a place at the table...we don't have one now. That's what we're dealing with. We have no vote, no voice, no power.

When things like what Malcolm said are still true today, like this one:

"When I speak, I don’t speak as a Democrat, or a Republican... I speak as a victim of America’s so-called democracy. You and I have never seen democracy; all we’ve seen is hypocrisy. When we open our eyes today and look around America, we see America not through the eyes of someone who have — who has enjoyed the fruits of Americanism, we see America through the eyes of someone who has been the victim of Americanism. We don’t see any American dream; we’ve experienced only the American nightmare. We haven’t benefited from America’s democracy; we’ve only suffered from America’s hypocrisy. And the generation that’s coming up now can see it and are not afraid to say it."

Then truly, I must ask: How far have we really come?
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:32 PM
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74. you are so cool !!!!!

this is one of the raddest comments i've ever read :)

i agree - martin & malcolm were merging mafias at an alarming rate. the black panthers were becoming an alternative government rather than a militia. and white america was swinging to soul and sly. it was so obvious that the System had to destroy the whole party, it was going to be a utopia, they couldn't stand that. however, rock and roll and its descendents never said die, and then al gore invented the internet. so there, system !!! we are going to bring this country ROARING BACK TO THE PROGRESSIVE FOREFRONT !!! MORE UNITY IN THE COMMUNITY !!!!
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:16 PM
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5. K&R for John!
:kick:
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:30 PM
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7. Kickin' and recommending for J.E.
:kick:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:33 PM
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8. Building one America
the change begins with us.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:33 PM
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9. I love JE!!! Well said, thanks..........nt
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:34 PM
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11. K&R!!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:36 PM
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14. k&r
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 05:39 PM
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15. He continues to say the right things and run his campaign like a pro.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:18 PM
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18. I heard him speak live last year in NYC at riverside church on MLK day.
I sat right next to Bill Moyer's wife in the pew. John was passionate and deeply moving. He raised his hands holding those next to him and sang we shall overcome. It was beautiful.

Having him as president would be even better than my favorite presidential fantasy: Martin Sheen! Because John really is presidential, as much as Martin portrayed presidential.

It would be a real life west wing.

Don't give up!
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:43 PM
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30. You were at Riverside Church?
Wow! You are so lucky. That is may all time favorite speech Edwards has ever given. So powerful.

If anyone has not seen a video of it, you can watch here:

Excerpts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1iSit7K60

Full Speech in three parts: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=johnedwards&search_query=riverside
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:17 AM
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57. Yes, I was. It was so moving. everyone was crying or holding back tears.
Well worth a download to hear him. I was in love, and I was right.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:46 PM
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41. What a wonderful event you were able to attend,
It would be a great relief to have John Edwards as President. Kindness and Wisdom.....
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:19 PM
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19. Video of Edwards' remarks today


Edwards made similiar remarks to those he made at Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church today, at a stop in Florence, SC.

Watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3SeuNoWO7o

:kick:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:23 PM
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20. We aleady have exceptionally dysfunctional societies in the UK and the US.
If the secular fundamentalists have their way, our societies can only get worse and worse. Which is surely difficult to imagine, given the nightmarish starting point. The militant atheists love to adduce the villainy of the major Christian hypocrites who wield so much power in your country as a sound reason for rejecting Christianity, itself, as America's historic national religion. The notion that science or the legal system could begin to replace the ethical system afforded by Judaeo-Christianity quite beggars belief.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:32 PM
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39. OT: this "militant atheist" doesn't reject Christianity because
of the hypocrisy of the major Christian representatives - I reject that belief system for the same reason I reject believing in Jack and the Magic Beans, or the Lady in the Lake, or Leprecauns, or other such characters from stories.

All religious, ethical and legal systems are constructs of the human mind, regardless if the authors choose to give credit to a man-made deity or not.

The notion that a DU'er would hijack a political thread about John Edwards to try to cram a narrow and off-topic religious viewpoint quite beggars belief!

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:26 PM
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63. Oh, we're very resourceful. And shameless, unfortunately. But seriously,
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:10 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
what capacity for belief have you got to beggar? By definition, it's already extraordinarily restricted with regard to deeper truths. You can't even take in what's in front of you!

Off topic? That's rich. JE was talking in a baptist church about the likes of Martin Luther King, who was notable for NOT being an atheist, but a very passionate Christian. John Edwards: "Real change started in churches just like this across America and across the South."

On the other hand, any half-baked theory some twerp comes up with you'll readily espouse if it rings your chimes. As Chesterton pointed out, people who don't believe in God, don't believe in nothing, they believe in anything. Only modern scientismificist man is barmy enough to believe that the cosmos came about and is kept in existence, as a result of an endless stream of coincidences.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:22 PM
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71. Oh, you've convinced me!
I do believe in God now. I choose Thor. I like his hammer. Why not? He's just as able and viable as any other god, and more physically fit than most of the other ones, too!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:58 PM
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83. He's a thug. That''s why. And a noisy so-and-so, what's more.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:40 PM
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76. You are CLASSIC !!!
::rofl::

there are John Cleese characters that talk like you !!!

but here's the deal. religion is a powerful force that isn't called "christianity" or anything else. lao tzu was about the best interpreter of religion, which many of us believe is REAL. so when JRE channels this force, which sociologists and anthropologists study every day so ACADEMIA believes it's real, he is doing it to win an election FOR the force.

real change DOES come from churches !!! THIS IS WHY I JOINED THE CHURCH OF THE SUBGENIUS SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO !!!! :)

::smoke::
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:56 PM
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82. Great stuff! Hang on. Sybil's calling..
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:25 PM
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21. Edwards is a Washington politician
:shrug:

Former US Senator, former VP candidate, now fighting to get back to Washington.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:42 PM
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24. Wrong again!
Edwards was hardly in Washington at all!He was a WINNING trial lawyer ala all those crusading John Grisham HEROES!
And Hillary was a former board member at WAL Mart( or as they are known in my household "the EVIL empire")
Sam Walton called Hillary "My Little Lady"!
Talk about being corporate owned!
The Goldwater Girl is going down baby.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:57 PM
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25. you mean Edwards wasn't a Senator and VP candidate?
It was all a dream.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:44 PM
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77. He was an EXCELLENT Senator and VP candidate.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 04:50 PM by stickernation
His record has no equal - and candidate Hillary, whose shallow Senate record is remarkable considering the size of the drum she's beating, knows it. She mocked his passing a bill through the Senate which died in the House. What further control did JRE have over the bill's fate once he fought it through the Senate? Absolutely none. Her failures are manifest, as are yours as her defender.

And Kerry threw the 2004 race because he's Skull and Bones, obviously. Democrats can be so STUPID when selecting a candidate, and forgive us Edwards supporters for marveling at the relative inanity of many supporters of other candidates. Other than Kucinich that is, you all are righteous.

We are spoiling for a debate one on one between Hillary and Edwards. It's going to happen. Perhaps Congressman Kucinich will be there too. Hillary will never triumph over Edwards/Obama or Edwards/Kucinich. Obama for his part is finished in SC and NV. Hillary Clinton is wishing that Obama never existed, but in so wishing she is ignoring her true adversary to her peril. Edwards will trounce Clinton in delegates and beat whoever the Repugnicans vomit up in November. After which he will assign the Attorney General to uncover and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law the manifold mendacities of the * Administration.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:28 PM
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67. Edwards is indeed a Washington Politician
And a "Former US Senator, former VP candidate, now fighting to get back to Washington."

So...this makes him just like...oh...Tom Delay?

Oh yeah...it's that "They're all the same" meme!

Exactly which runners are not "Washington Politicians"? You want a Topeka Politician in Washington? A San Jose politician?

Hey....they're all homo sapiens too. They're all the same!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:29 PM
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22. Thanks, JohnLocke! John Edwards has
a lot of integrity and power in him and I don't want to see that go away.

“And this may come as a surprise to some of you, coming from another presidential candidate, me, but as someone who grew up in the segregated South, I feel an enormous amount of pride when I see the success that Senator Barack Obama is having in this campaign."

This is music to my eyes after the hillsurbots have had their inuendos and denials. I knew I liked John Edwards when he started running this 2008 campaign.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:04 PM
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27. He's a gentleman
and his campaign is getting another donation from me tonight.
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Madam Mossfern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:04 PM
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28. He's a gentleman
and his campaign is getting another donation from me tonight.
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Bishop Rook Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:59 PM
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26. K and bloody R. (nt)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:37 PM
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65. Hello Bishop Rook...
I offer you a slightly belated but heartfelt: Welcome to DU!

:hi:
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:13 PM
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29. Which begs the question, why is he bothering running?
I think Edwards is the best of the three possible candidates, but this speech is silly.
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rodriguez94 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:05 PM
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31. no, he is having to 'quell'...
the racial flak being stirred..it's ridiculous..just another smoke screen to distract the candidates about the real hard issues at hand and who is best qualified, most sincere and most electable in November.

Although at least it allowed for modifying the stump speech abit.

GO Johnny GO!
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:58 PM
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78. Because race is important and he is PROUD of us.

Obama has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this nation has taken a step forward.

He has already accompished this, and it is awesome, and this is JRE giving Obama a high-five.

This speech is FREAKING AWESOME !!!!!!!! ! ! ! It's your posting that is silly.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:15 PM
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32. The corporate press takes little jabs at JE every chance they get
Like the one Chuck Todd of NBC made on MTP today that Edwards supporters were the less educated and what a pile of sniveling shit that was. I'll pit degrees and intellect of JE supporters against any other candidate and he will come out on top. These Herman Goering types truly understand the power of lying as a propaganda tool.
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:37 PM
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34. great address
:kick:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:08 PM
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35. Obama has served less time in Washington than Edwards
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:38 PM
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36. Edwards should quit
He can't win. Its OK for him to hang around to make a case for himself but he can't do just that. He has to make inflammatory remarks to prolong a problem the party is having now that hurts both sides. As usual, Edwards twists what the Clintons said and plays on emotions with distortions and fancy rhetoric. Edwards is a liar and a phony.

Edwards' campaign is imploding. In the last week he's fallen from 23% in the Rasmussen poll to 12%. That's half his votes gone, an 11% drop. The only thing Edwards is accomplishing now is harm to the party and a delay that keeps his ego from accepting that he lost. The man is useless.

He won't be VP either. Obama would want somebody with great foreign policy experience and long time Washington credentials to balance his rookie status.

I'm sorry to keep posting this but the same story about Edwards is being scrolled and I have to snap at all of them.

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zazzle Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:48 PM
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37. Nope! can't go with hope and dope!
And after all the racist and sexist accusations by Obama supporters - he is my very last choice.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:57 PM
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43. What a downer. What Kool-Aid flavor are you drinking or reading? Or not?
Hey, I'm extremely cynical. And yet I find John Edwards to be the most capable to honestly deliver what he says needs to be done. Maybe it's because he comes out and says it. The lack of a Lieberman connection is also a plus for me.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:45 AM
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45. I love the "I'm sorry to keep posting this..." bullshit,
it really is so considerate of you. Especially after posting "The man is useless." You are winning the hearts and minds here with your brilliant campaign.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:01 AM
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46. that DUer is really baseless in their attacks on John Edwards,
and this is far from the 1st time they've done so.

John Edwards will fight the entrenched interest in DC, it's what he's programmed to do as a trial lawyer, and more importantly as a human being. He will battle them tooth and nail. I think when this man sees suffering he wants to solve the problems. He will be a great president. And even if he goes, our mission will go on to stop the corporations from wielding too much power in DC, WE THE PEOPLE should have the power, and John would totally agree with that.


GO JOHN GO!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:06 AM
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47. The poster is a "moderate" that espouses the merits of
Kyl/Lieberman and pretty much parrots the DLC agenda. Edwards rubs the poster raw with his platform.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:16 AM
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56. OH... thank you! n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:22 AM
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49. Actually, I think the reverse is true . . . you can't win without Edwards ---
If the DLC insist on Clinton or Obama, a lot of people who would have voted for Edwards will
probably go elsewhere ---

I won't vote for either of them ---


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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:48 AM
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50. Exactly
I'm not voting for the DLC anymore, period.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:33 PM
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68. GOP talking point alert!
"Edwards is a liar and a phony."


Way to think for yourself!
Now tell us what you think of his hair!


"I'm sorry to keep posting this"

No you're not.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:02 PM
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70. actually, you DON'T "have to snap at all of them"
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 02:03 PM by frogcycle
you could just shut up and let the proces play out instead of demanding that everyone do what the media insist
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:44 PM
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80. You give us new energy.
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 05:45 PM by stickernation
Please tell your Freeper friends that we welcome their derision as well - as they attempt to divide us, Edwards' stock goes up.

See, this here's the Democratic UNDERGROUND. We are deciding on a candidate in anticipation of our upcoming efforts to CHANGE THE GAME. We aren't here to sieg heil the effects of the mainstream media. we are here to overwhelm the mainstream media, and we are debating how best to do that.

Obama is not going to survive NV and SC if the Clinton machine manages to beat him (or if Edwards happens to win). This will fundamentally alter the "Obama is electable, Clinton is not" argument - in fact it would render it useless. He has to win in both states to remain viable, and I don't think that's likely, because fundamentally Obama is *NOT* more electable than Clinton - unless he can PROVE IT IN NV AND SC.

So fuck the polls. Hillary and Barack seem to be knocking each other out, and only one will remain standing. It will be Hillary Clinton - that woman is a survivor. She will go toe-to-toe with Edwards, and she will lose. Obama will not make it the distance, so start positioning your candidate as Edwards' VP today.

Oooh Obama is so "popular". That is the basis of your support ? I have to snap at YOU !
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:41 PM
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40. K & R
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:20 AM
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48. THAT's the Howard Zinn point of view --- that reform actually happens outside of gov't ---
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:42 AM
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55. Look at Al Gore: useless in office, effective outside it.
I say useless, but in fact Gore was quite useful which in office, just not to the right causes: he backed the first Gulf War, aided corporate mining interests, cast anti-abortion votes, etc.

And look at our Albert Jr. now. Freed from service to interests, the lad's come a ways, hasn't he?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:20 PM
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66. True...!! And, I think he, himself, has commented on that ...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 01:21 PM by defendandprotect
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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 02:30 AM
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52. He always makes me proud to be an Edwards supporter
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 02:35 AM by ashlarah
He has the most thought out plans, he has led the way on progressive issues and he is the most electable. Don't let corporate media get away with framing this as a two person race. Write emails and letters demanding they report the news not shape the news. Demand that they stop stealing this election from the American people. WE get to decide this time.

Another way to force corporate media to pay attention: take part in the grassroots effort to break fundraising records in one day. Donate to John Edwards on Friday, January 18th. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/13/171722/549

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Sorry, I am having trouble formatting the photo link. If it doesn't work, try this.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 03:38 AM
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54. For proof, look at all Dems did to stop Bushism.
Edwards is right about these Bush collaborators -- these sheer lickspittles.

A Homeland Security Stasi on our backs, and an American war of aggression in Iraq, plus endless funding for more war: all brought to you courtesy of Washington Politicians on both sides of the aisle, and especially the Hillarycrats.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:21 AM
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58. JRE sincerely wants change. If not thru him, then Obama...
Too bad for those poisoning his message, like you. You just don't "get it".
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:27 AM
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59. Kicking & Rec n/t
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:28 AM
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60. Isn't Edwards a Washington politician?
When he was serving in the Senate, he was in Washington. Senator Obama also works in Washington. If they're so serious about change not taking place in Washinton, maybe they shouldn't be campaigning for a Washington job.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:31 PM
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64. Maybe you should look into Edwards more
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 12:32 PM by Armstead
Edwards has acknowledged that when he was serving in Washington, he became an insider who lost sight of what he truly believed in. He doesn't say he was better than any otehr politician.

But he also said experience with the Beltway Culture broadened his view.

He also has frequently said that the real change has to be from a basic movement among the population to demand change. As president, his role would be to help to inspire that, and to harness it into political/policy actions.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:31 AM
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61. John Edwards -- a Total Class Act!
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 09:32 AM by HamdenRice
I want an Obama-Edwards campaign on a high intellectual, moral and ethical level.

Let's get the gutter politics out of this primary process and let two great pro-change Democrats debate the issues!
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 09:31 AM
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62. DIVIDE DEMOCRATS DIVIDE
ITS WORKING...
---- OUR ATTEMPT TO BREAK THE PARTY OF DEMOCRATS INTO SPITEFUL HATE-FILLED PEOPLE IS WORKING...

---- WE WILL AGAIN BE ABLE TO CLAIM...

THE REPUBLICANS UNITE FOR THE ELECTION... AND DIVIDE THE SPOILS
THE DEMOCRATS DIVIDE FOR THE ELECTION... AND DIVIDE NOTHING

REMEMBER MY REPUBLICAN BROTHERS... DUE TO THE EXPECTED HIGH TURNOUT... IN 2008

THE DEMOCRATS WILL BE VOTING ON NOVEMBER 4
WE REPUBLICANS WILL BE VOTING ON NOVEMBER 5
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:30 PM
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73. He's been talking this "Me & Obama" theme since Iowa...
Seems pretty tactical.
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:51 PM
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81. Tactics woven into a broad overall STRATEGY.

Edwards clearly views Obama as a partner in his own law firm of CHANGE. Obama comes under fire, Edwards feels compelled to respond, as CHANGE is the substance of this election. He is the superior candidate for change, and Democratic Underground and other activists will make certain Democratic voters are aware of this once Obama loses in SC and NV.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:21 PM
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84. But Obama doesn't come to Edwards' rescue...
Sometimes it seems like Edwards is trying to ride Obama's coattails ~ not sure that's a good move.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:36 PM
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75. Fabulous speech.
“What this election is about—it’s not about me and it’s not about any of the other candidates—what the election is about is building one America.”

Hillary and Obama have lost sight of this fact with all their bickering. They're too involved
with focus on themselves.

Wake up, Dems, before it's too late! We need John Edwards in the Oval Office.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:59 PM
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79. So, let me get this right. The foundation of the late christopher
and Dana Reeve approach a president edwards and ask him to push through legislation for Stem Cell Research. What? Does edwards tell them, what are you silly, you think washington can do anything?" Or does Edwards like LBJ see this issue as a Righteous cause and shepard it through Congress.

And many years down the road a candidate for president amkes this statement,Christher and Dana Reeve's dream began to be realized when President Hillary Clinton passed the Stem Cell Research Act of 2009. It took a president to get it done.( in the 90's Presdient Bill Clinton tried on several occasions to pass a Stem Cell Research bill, but was turned back by the Republican controlled Congress, and President George W Bush did not believe in stem cell research and no legislation was ever introduced.)

Just like the above there is no disrespect given to Dr King nor would there be any shown to Christopher and Dana Reeve. Anyone keeping up with either issue will know that it did take a president to see both were righteous....


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