Since Hillary claimed she embodies change as a woman, she must think Condi would embody "change"!

[jenmito]

I think it's wrong that she said that (could you inagine if Obama said he embodies change because he's Black?)...not to mention today on MTP she said she's not running as a woman and gender or race shouldn't be an issue! She wants to have EVERYTHING both ways. :eyes:

[antiimperialist]

1. Where the full quote in context? n/t

[jenmito]

2. She said it at the debate last week. n/t

[jenmito]

21. Here's the quote:

"But I think I am an agent of change. I embody change. I think having the first woman president is a huge change..."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4092530&page=3

[niceypoo]

41. And this is incorrect?

Bush also brought 'change' which Obama touts. Does this mean Obama supports Bush? Your reasoning is very poorly thought out.

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[jenmito]

6. You're not the boss of me.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. Geeze.

There are some O supporters that may deserve that remark but not Jenminto.

[jenmito]

20. Thanks, cat_girl!

:hi:

[acmavm]

4. NICE reach. Tying Hillary with Condi. Let's hook up Obama with that

quisling Powel then, right?

[jenmito]

11. Hillary said it. She played the gender card. Obama never said he embodies change because he's

Black.

[acmavm]

14. But YOU paired her up with Condi. I just did the next logical thing and

gave you Obama's soulmate (using your method of association).

[jenmito]

22. Hillary's the one that said she embodies change. Obama didn't say he embodies change by

being Black.

[acmavm]

29. Once again, following YOUR line of reasoning, Obama/Powell.

[jenmito]

30. Once again, that's following HILLARY'S line of reasoning.

[Yael]

5. But it isn't about being a woman

unless you can use it to defend a "boys are ganging up on poor little me" strategy after a debate.

[jenmito]

8. Exactly. n/t

[MichiganVote]

7. Quote and link?

[jenmito]

13. She said it at the NH debate. I'll look for a transcript.

[jenmito]

17. Here ya go:

"But I think I am an agent of change. I embody change. I think having the first woman president is a huge change..."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4092530&page=3

[MichiganVote]

25. As I read it, her claim was that she embodies change as a female candidate. So what?

Condi Rice was appointed to a position that other females have had.

[jenmito]

27. She denies using her gender as an issue..

[zozosmom]

35. She is the First Viable Woman Candidate

so gender IS AN ISSUE. And allt he pundits and commentators MAKE IT AN ISSUE. Jesse Jackson Jr. couldn't help MAKING IT AN ISSUE. It happens in subtle ways-- kind of like the shuck and jive comment from Cuomo. Don't deny it. AND OBAMA IS ONLY VIABLE BECAUSE HE'S BLACK. He is running AS A BLACK MAN. You must be a white male, to be so naive to think that a black person or a woman could run for president in this country and somehow race and gender to not be issues. You really are naive.

[jenmito]

40. "AND OBAMA IS ONLY VIABLE BECAUSE HE'S BLACK"?

Really? Then why wasn't Jesse Jackson viable? I'm a white female with many black people in my family. So take your ASSumptions and prejudice somewhere else.

[MichiganVote]

38. To state that one embodies change as a female candidate is not the same

as then "using" that as an issue. But somehow I think the distinction is lost on you so do what you feel. Keep focusing on the non essentials and miss the big picture.

[JohnnyLib2]

9. ummm, Madeline Albright?

First woman sec'ty of state, appointed by ..................well, you should know.

[emilyg]

10. It's Sunday

Take a break.:hi:

[jenmito]

23. If it's Sunday, it's Meet the Press.

And she was on it today. :hi:

[Evergreen Emerald]

12. Every time a women is in a position of power, they help to pave the way

for more women. I do not agree with Rice's politics. But she is a tough intelligent woman who is paving the way for other women.

And every time a black male or female attains a position of power, they help pave the way for the future.

[zozosmom]

15. Obama is running on his race

and he hasn't tried to disabuse anyone of that belief. His claim to carry the mantle of Dr. King is solely about him being black. He's not some hard-core, experienced civil rights activist. He just happens to be black. He moved to Chicago so he could live in a place black people would vote for him. He joined a black mega-church to get votes. Does anyone really doubt this? Obama's mantra of change has little to with his policy positions and everything to do with the color of his skin.

If Condi Rice could actually get the Republican nomination, it WOULD represent HUGE change. But of course, that wold never happen, because the Republicans are such huge racists and sexists and Condi is a tool for them. They would NEVER actually give her that kind of power. So, OP you're argument is really just a strawman.

[jenmito]

19. Obama NEVER claimed to carry the mantle of Dr. King.

Others have compared him to MLK and JFK. Do you have a link to back up ANY of your crazy accusations? Especially the one where you said, "He moved to Chicago so he could live in a place black people would vote for him." :eyes:

[zozosmom]

31. He compared himself to MLK and JFK

in utter arrogance. It was this comparison that prompted Hlllary to say that without LBJ, the dream would never have been reality. Don't play so naive. Obama can't hvae it both ways. His campaign will implode under exactly this combination of claiming innocense and political posturing. Shows he's too inexperienced for the job. The Republicans will much nastier and they won't be so kind as to limit themselves to the truth.

[jenmito]

32. Link?

[zozosmom]

34. I'm not your research assistant

read what your candidate says--assuming you even know anythign about him

[jenmito]

39. You made a false claim. Unless y ou can back it up with a link/transcript you

won't be taken seriously. I know everything he said. And he never said what you claim he said which is why you can't find a quote.

[durrrty libby]

16. "she must think Condi would embody "change"!" You wouldn't

have a fucking clue as to what she thinks...obviously

[jenmito]

24. She said she embodies change, that a woman president would be a huge change.

Condi Rice is a woman.

[MichiganVote]

26. As I said up thread, Rice was appointed, not a potential electee.

[jenmito]

28. That's not the point. IF Condi Rice was to run for office, she'd embody change.

But then again Hillary claims she's not running as a "female" candidate (but she IS).

[zozosmom]

33. It Condi Rice could get the Republican nomination

it would indicate change--a huge change for the Republicans. And Obama thinks he's the great black hope. If Obama weren't black, he'd never be considered a viable candidate.

[jenmito]

43. That's the second time you've said something insulting about Obama.

Yet you provided no proof of your absurd claim that he moved to Chicago to be elected easily by Black people. Racist. :puke:

[zozosmom]

45. All you've got is RACISM RACISM RACISM

Of course Obama moved to chicago to get into politcs in a place he could be elected. Anyone with a poltical brain knows that.

[MichiganVote]

37. Well Rice isn't running and Clinton is female. So what?

Look, don't you even care about these candidates and the issues?

[jenmito]

44. I care very much abot the issues which is why I find it sad that some people are voting for her

just because she's a woman.

[durrrty libby]

36. "Condi Rice is a woman." Water is wet. So many BO supporters

comprehend and dissect on a one dimensional level. Same as a 5 year old

[jenmito]

42. Hillary said she'd embody change as a woman president. Don't you get it?

Condi Rice is a woman. So SHE'D embody change as a woman president, too. Your comprehension is the same as a 5 year old.