David Brooks: Karl Rove & Bush trust legacy to Hillary.

[Meldread]

I am watching "Tim Russert" on MSNBC right now, and the topic of Karl Rove's most recent hit piece on Obama came up. The topic of the reason for that was briefly discussed, then Tim questioned if it was because Rove wanted a Republican to run against Hillary. David Brooks disagreed. He said that he believes the Bush Administration would rather trust Hillary on their legacy than Obama and probably most of the Republicans. He said that the Bush Administration feels that she can be trusted on National Security issues and the war in Iraq.

:puke:

[babylonsister]

1. Wow. What an endorsement. NOT. nt

[Anouka]

2. And yet, isn't that the truth all along?

Hillary has been 'vetted' and found acceptable by Republicans, according to Bill, has she not?

[Lerkfish]

13. as a theory, it fits observable data

:shrug;

[Big Blue Marble]

3. Well that is just great.

Just today my politically astute daughter commented that the brand is Bush/Clinton.
Doesn't this validate her observation.

[Didereaux]

4. Get Roves name associated with the candidate you want out of the race...Rovian 101

[CoffeeCat]

5. This is exactly right...

Hillary votes in line with the neocons.

She aquiesces to the ridiculous notions of George Bush. If he wants to violate our privacy
or wiretap us illegally--all under the guise of "national security" Hillary is right there,
voting in line with them.

She plays their game.

I think the rise of Hillary and her neocon ways--is undoubtedly the biggest tragedy for our party, and
for the country.

The transition from a Bush administration to a Hillary administration would be seamless, when it comes
to perpetuating the neocon war, destroying our civil rights and continuing the corporate corruption.

I find Hillary to be a heartbreaking catastrophe.

[hatrack]

6. And what legacy what that be, Bobo-Boy?

Aggressive war?

Toxic levels of partisanship, corruption and lies?

Wilful ignorance not just of science but of reality?

Taking a big smelly dump on the Constitution for eight solid years?

The greatest public debt in the history of the nation?

Yeah, no WONDER they feel it needs protecting.

:puke:

[Diane R]

7. If there ARE problems with the N.H. count, I think they'll be traced straight to KKKarl.

[LizW]

8. Ouch.

That's a sickening gut-punch.

[Meldread]

29. For who? Hillary or the Republican Candidates?

Who does it say more about? For the Republican's the leader of their party could potentially think that the leader of the opposition party is more qualified and worthy of the White House than any (or most) of them. For Hillary the leader of the opposition party could potentially think she's a good replacement to pick up where he left off. Who does it say more about?

[LizW]

32. For me, actually.

I realize it is David Brooks giving his opinion (which is worth approximately zero), but the thought that Rove and Bush think Hillary would protect the Bush legacy regarding the catastrophic Iraq War makes me ill.

[Meldread]

36. Yeah, I know.

I am unsure just how much of his opinion was "opinion" though and how much of it was fact. I mean, he said it casually, and three other people: Chuck Todd, Tim Russert and a woman from USA Today at the table didn't even question him on it. Their facial expressions and body language seemed to indicate that they were, for the most part, in agreement.

We all know the people in Washington DC talk about stuff that isn't reported. They're all "friends" up there and the journalists are buddy-buddy with the politicians. So it makes me think if this is something that is generally known within their "social circle". That was kinda the feeling I got.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. That should be a campaign ad

For real, just that snippit.

[Meldread]

25. Heh, the Republicans should do a promotion commercial for her!

Fade in Black - White Text Words only, with Voice Over.
Voice Over (Cheney): "When a Mushroom Cloud is coming to your city..."
Voice Over (Bush): "...when you need someone to protect your legacy..."
Voice Over (Rudy): "...when you think people are going to forget 9/11..."
Voice Over (Romeny): "...when you need someone to stand up for Big Business and screw over the little guy..."
Voice Over (Thompson): "...when you need someone good at acting..."
Voice Over (Huckabee): "...when you need someone to sign in laws against the gays..."
Voice Over (McCain): "...when you need someone out of touch with America..."
Voice Over (Ron Paul): "...when you need someone who trash talks Martin Luther King..."

Fade in, to a smiling Hillary in the Oval Office, dressed up with Bill at her side.

Voice Over (Hillary): "You need me! Hillary Clinton!"
Voice Over (Announcer): "Paid for by the Republican National Committee."

[leftchick]

10. I firmly believe this

and have since her AIPAC speech and their endorsement of her. She is indeed the neocon choice.

[antigop]

35. I believe she is the corporate choice. She's DLC. n/t

[speedoo]

11. That's extremely disturbing.

Not surprising, because I know Hillary's record of supporting Bush/Cheney.

But to hear that Brooks would openly discuss it is just very disturbing.

[Meldread]

17. You want to know what is even WORSE?

The fact that he said it so casually and no one - not a single person there at that table - disagreed or challenged it. It was just accepted in a sort of, "Well duh, everybody knows that." Sort of fashion.

It just made me sick, it almost felt like she was getting an endorsement by the Bush Administration. However, imagine how that makes some of the Republican Candidates feel! Bush and Rove might actually be thinking that a Democratic Candidate would be a better replacement than some of them!

Brook's also said that the Republican's are fearful that Obama could do for the Democratic Party what Reagan did for the Republican's. That he could swing the country back from center-right to center-left.

[Mr Rabble]

12. Bill did protect Poppy from prosecution in 1992.

Remember that Bigdog was more than happy to let The Bush Crime Family skate out of town the last time this happened.

There is every reason to believe that Hillary is set to do the exact same thing. To be fair, I don't think that Obama would do anything different than Hillary in this regard.

We don't prosecute our own war criminals. Ever.

[whometense]

14. I just saw this,

and came over to see if anyone else did too.

My blog post: http://toughdonkey.blogspot.com/2008/01/i-can-barely-believe-i-heard-this.html


I was STUNNED. I pray someone got a video capture of it. I believe it re-airs at 10pm tonight and 1am tomorrow morning.

[Adelante]

15. I don't care what *they* think

And I don't support Hillary for president, but Jayzus, they're not fit to kiss her hem.

[MissWaverly]

16. agree, and what credibility does anyone from Team Bush have

Mushroom cloud, did not leak Plames name, thought his face was a quail, torture, what torture, oh, that's not torture
that's a vacation in paradise.

If they said it was raining, I would have to go look for myself.

[Yael]

18. This sentiment should come as no surprise to anyone

[MichiganVote]

19. Only an idiot would take David Brooks word on anything.

[Meldread]

24. David Brooks wasn't the only one at the Table.

There were two others at the table plus Tim, and none of them disagreed. In fact I think Chuck Todd shook his head in agreement.

[MichiganVote]

26. Oh good. Now I get it. Only an idiot would agree with anything Brooks said. Better?

[Meldread]

27. Oh, I see.

Three highly educated and successful people are all stupid because they potentially agreed with him. After all, everyone who disagrees with you is obviously of an inferior intelligence.

I'm glad you cleared that up for me.

[MichiganVote]

28. :) Sorry the pissing match is closed. Try again tomorrow. Have a good one.

[Critters2]

20. JEDNE nt

[FrenchieCat]

21. Establishment Candidate.....

BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON

What's a few more years of establishment rule.

After all, we are only pretending to be a democracy.

[wtmusic]

22. What she can be trusted for is to get beat by Huckleberry

The friend of your enemy is, in this case, your enemy.

[Colobo]

23. I am not surprised at all.

[Meldread]

30. Kick - this comes on again 1AM EST -nt-

:kick:

[rox63]

31. More proof that HRC supporters need to look a little closer at their candidate

That quote was a real WTF moment. :wtf:

[jazzjunkysue]

34. The reich wing TV and radio anchors have been rooting for Hil all along.

It's been obvious from the beginning that the establishment want's Hil because she'll play along. She and Bill have always played along and helped keep all the right secrets for the old Nixonian tribe, and they always will.

[rox63]

33. This needs a kick for the morning crew

:kick:

[Meldread]

37. Kick! It's on right now on MSNBC!

:kick:

[Meldread]

38. Kick! It's about to come up right now, after the commercial! On MSNBC! -nt-

:kick:

[stubtoe]

39. Thanks for the post, I don't get cable and this is a bit of a shocker.

Kick

[Meldread]

40. I started another thread:

View it http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4052528&mesg_id=4052528">here.

The new thread has the video of what was said as well as a direct quotation.

[ruggerson]

41. He also said the conservatives he talks to would prefer a President Obama

instead of a President Hillary Clinton.

Why did you conveniently leave that out of your OP?

[Meldread]

42. Because it's irrelevant and it only makes Obama look good?

:shrug:

Obama's wide range appeal is a good thing for him and the party. However, you'll also note that Brooks clearly stated that the Clinton's and the Bush's were of the same mind in regard to Obama. The Bush's have gone beyond conservatism and have, in many respects, destroyed the Republicans. He is at a point where he is disliked even by members of his own party.

Hillary lacks the broad range appeal of Obama, and as such will only increase the chances of us losing in the General Election. Not to mention the fact that myself and quite a number of other folks here on this forum will refuse to vote for her. She has become a Republican in every way but party affiliation with her voter disenfranchisement in Nevada and her dirty tactics in New Hampshire. She is completely unworthy to lick the boots of most Americans let alone set foot in the White House. She is on the same level as George W. Bush.

[Tactical Progressive]

43. Publicans and their MSM are terrified of Hillary

Dems are angry over the last eight years. Publicans see a Democratic tidal wave coming to hit them, with the Clintons this time having a Democratic Congress that will work WITH them, and they don't know what they can do to stop it. It isn't going to be nice when it hits, especially with Hillary at the helm.

They need to try something to stop Hillary, preferrably in the primaries, but what?

Well, Publicans and their MSM hear that Democrats want 'change'. Of course any Dem will bring change, Hillary most of all, but no matter. It's the words. What's the ONE THING they can do from their side to try to convince people that 'Hillary isn't change'? Come on, from their side, what is it?

That's right:

'Hillary is the same as us!' 'We like Hillary because she'll keep things going just like we're doing them!' 'We trust Hillary to keep right on our path!' 'Why, we'd prefer Hillary than even another Republican to 'stay the course'.' 'Yes we would, yes we would. I tell ya, yes we would!'


Oh no wait! Oh gosh, I'm fooled! I'm fooled!!!
I can't believe it! How did they do this to me?!!!
LOL!!!


The Clintons with a Senate and a Congress: Publicans worst nightmare.

[beachmom]

44. Trusted to cover up the Bush crimes. Hey, the Clintons have an actual RECORD

of covering up their crimes. Brooks is right. Clinton is the SAFEST bet for the Bush family.

[Beacool]

45. Hey Brooks, don't do her any favors! LOL!!!

But I will agree that she's far more qualified to be president than Obama and his razor thin record in the senate (I don't give a rat's tail end what he did in the state legislature).

[VotesForWomen]

46. so i guess repukes actually want to run against obama. nt