CNN Polling: All Republicans lose to Clinton and Obama.

[Occam Bandage]

According to the survey, both of the Democratic front-runners, Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois, hold mostly double-digit -- and statistically identical -- advantages over Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani and Mike Huckabee, drawing greater than 50 percent support in each hypothetical matchup.

Clinton leads the front-running candidates of both parties -- Obama, McCain, Giuliani, Huckabee and Romney -- in the percentage of voters who say they would definitely vote for her if she won her party's nomination, with 37 percent. But she trails the pack in the percentage of voters who do not support her, but say they might consider voting for her under those circumstances, with 19 percent.

Obama is second to Clinton in potential voters who say they would definitely vote for him in the general election, with 30 percent. McCain, who is third in that category with 22 percent, is first among voters who say they'd consider voting for him if he were the Republican nominee, with 35 percent.

Obama and Clinton have virtually the same favorability ratings, 55 and 53 percent. But Clinton's unfavorability rating is roughly 20 points higher than Obama's -- 47 percent to 28 percent.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/12/poll.matchups/index.html

[Bicoastal]

1. HAH--all the grumpy old white GOP guys...

...losing to a black man and a white woman. Go DEMS!!!

[Occam Bandage]

4. Whether it's Clinton or Obama, I am going to look forward to watching

America's millions of sexist/racist bumfuck-redneck throwbacks having to deal with eight years of a woman/black President.

[ronnykmarshall]

10. Hayyyy!

I'm with ya!

And could you imagine if both of them are on ticket?

Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton .... what a message that would send!

[Occam Bandage]

12. I think in that case, we don't even have to worry about them being "energized"

against us. The prospect of those tickets would cause their heads to explode, rendering them harmless.

[gateley]

2. Oh, Please God, let this poll be right! nt

[THUNDER HANDS]

3. well, look at this

Obama and Clinton have virtually the same favorability ratings, 55 and 53 percent. But Clinton's unfavorability rating is roughly 20 points higher than Obama's -- 47 percent to 28 percent.

So half of America already doesn't like her.

But go right ahead folks, try to nominate Mrs. 50.000000001% and see if Diebold helps you out against the GOP nominee.

No need to go for Obama, who has the potential to win in a landslide, AND pick up congressional seats for us.


that's just crazy talk.

[DJ13]

5. ........crazy talk

Obama and Clinton have virtually the same favorability ratings, 55 and 53 percent. But Clinton's unfavorability rating is roughly 20 points higher than Obama's -- 47 percent to 28 percent.

So half of America already doesn't like her.

But go right ahead folks, try to nominate Mrs. 50.000000001% and see if Diebold helps you out against the GOP nominee.

No need to go for Obama, who has the potential to win in a landslide, AND pick up congressional seats for us.


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It gets worse if Hillary is nominated.

Rumor is that Bloomberg is only going to enter as a third party candidate if it looks like Hillary is the nominee.

Not only would Mrs. 50.00000001% have to beat a Diebold supported Republican, she would have to beat a former Democrat turned liberal Republican turned independant Presidential candidate Bloomberg in November.

Nominating Hillary is a vote for more Republican rule.

[durrrty libby]

9. No..... the nonsense is the silly dreck in your siggy

[IndianaGreen]

6. Not true! There is a virtual tie between McCain, Hillary, and Obama

The Republican candidate who gives Clinton and Obama the closest race in the new poll is Arizona Sen. John McCain, who is essentially tied with both: He draws the support of 48 percent of those surveyed to Clinton's 50 percent and Obama's 49 percent.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/12/poll.matchups/index.html

All three of them are within the margin of error.

[Occam Bandage]

8. Last I checked, 50>48, and 49>48 as well.

[IndianaGreen]

21. The poll has a 3% margin of error. Deal with it!

You should have read the entire article!

[Occam Bandage]

22. I did. However, Obama and Clinton did both beat John McCain in this poll.

I did not say "statistically significant lead," did I? No, I did not. Deal with it.

[IndianaGreen]

24. The poll itself called it a virtual tie!

McCain is well within the margin of error!

[Occam Bandage]

25. And Bush and Gore were in a virtual tie by the final tally in Florida.

(disregard any OMG GORE WON business; we're talking the official tally, corrupt as it was.)

"Virtual" does not mean "actual." McCain is within the margin of error, yes. But fewer responders selected McCain than did Obama or Clinton in the head-to-head matchups. Therefore, McCain lost to Clinton and Obama in this poll, even if the lead may not be statistically significant when extrapolated to the general public of likely voters.

[IndianaGreen]

26. According to the poll, McCain's negatives are much lower than Hillary's

Only Obama matches McCain's numbers.

[annie1]

7. pubs will not win this election. no way. no how. Wow, how are his...

unfavorable ratings so low!

[reggie the dog]

11. Let's not fuck this up folks, ok

It is time to stop slinging mud between candidates here on the left. Let's just watch the primaries unfold without personal attacks, perahps the front runners could debate more and sound byte less. Then once we see who the 1 and 2 are in the Democratic party we can perhaps say that 2 gets to be VP and just go for the elections against the Republicans. If we do it right the Democrats will have the house, the senate and the presidency all at the same time. Then changes can happen, Patriot acts can be overturned, wars can be ended, gay marriage could become a reality and perhaps cannabis could even be legalized, if not fully at least for medical reasons.
The Democrats would also get to nominate a Supreme Court justice or 2 if they were lucky.

Let's stop fighting amongst ourselves. I never said this before but I have been convinced of the prudence of saying that even if my least favorite candidate is nominated by the Democrats I will vote for that person, all the while putting pressure on them to be more anti war and farther to the left, because they will be much more open to give in to leftist special interest groups than Huckelberry would be. If a centrist gets the nomination so be it, but they cannot win without the CENTER AND THE LEFT just as a progressive could not win without the CENTER AND THE LEFT. We need a big tent that listens to the people making up the coalition. That is the best way to move the USA back into the 21st century.

[AmBlue]

13. okay..... and we're going to believe what CNN is spoonfeeding us???

I see they've got this entire election now pared down to only four candidates? Any reason I should believe this? I'm having trouble finding one.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Nope. Voters pared it down to two on the Dem side, and

four on the Republican side.

[AmBlue]

27. Sorry, but after only TWO states out of FIFTY having a say so far....

I would submit that The CON (Corporate Owned Media) has had a larger say in this than all of the voters in the two states that have voted so far.

JOHN EDWARDS IS IN THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION, SPEAKING UP FOR THE PEOPLE AND AGAINST THE CORPORATOCRACY AND ALL OF THOSE THAT WOULD PERPETUATE IT.

[antiimperialist]

14. Let's not forget that this poll is owned by a person with ties to Hillary Clinton

Opinion Research belong to a corporation conveniently acquired by a man who has donated millions to the Clintons.

If say, Obama is ahead of Republicans but Clinton isn't, he probably wouldn't tell you the truth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/us/politics/14gupta.html?pagewanted=print

[Occam Bandage]

16. Not to be glib, but is there anyone in politics who does not have ties to a Clinton?

They're like the most connected people on Earth.

[TwilightZone]

20. Wouldn't that mean that he's trying to get Obama the nomination?

A lot of voters base their vote on perception. If Obama is seen as a better candidate in the GE, that will be enough to sway some "vote for the winner" voters.

So, if you're assuming that the results are based on a Clinton bias, wouldn't the reverse of your assertion be more likely?

[DaLittle Kitty]

17. Missing of Course from The Equation IS.. That Edwards Wins BY MUCH WIDER MARGINS!

:)

[Occam Bandage]

23. Actually, it looks like they didn't even bother putting Edwards in the poll.

Seeing as he has about the same shot of getting to run against one of those Republicans that Dennis Kucinich does...

[TwilightGardener]

18. This makes perfect sense--

McCain is their most favorably-viewed candidate because of his war-hero status, and even he can't win, because of his insane 100-year Iraq-war stance and his age. People want to discount the war as a factor, but it will be, even if things are quiet. I don't think a majority of Americans are under the impression that Iraq is "fixed" and that we can stay forever. All things factored in, the war will be the issue that tips the election to us.

[HughMoran]

19. That;s nice to hear

Go Dems!