DEMOCRATS... You Can Choose Either One of The TWO DLC Candidates! Sen. Edwards IS NOT One of Them

[DaLittle Kitty]

NOW It Is Official! The Two DLC Candidates Hillary or Obama Will Be Our Nominee? sic@#&%#@*?

Edwards Message of Change as the ONLY Candidate for Change is now Absolutely VALIDATED.

OBAMA ... AND HILLARY, no matter WHAT they say... or DO... REPRESENT the Status Quo and ARE THE CANDIDATES OF "The Corporation!"

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/dlc-leaders-cut-edwards-out/

January 11, 2008, 2:34 pm
D.L.C. Leaders Cut Edwards Out GOOD FOR EDWARDS He IS The Truth Teller

By Ariel Alexovich

As would be expected, the two gentlemen from the Democratic Leadership Council on a conference call today told reporters they’re very confident in their party’s chances of reclaiming the White House, they’re happy that substantive issues are being discussed… (Not Likely after hearing what follows...)

And then :dunce:Al From, the D.L.C. founder, said he was “very happy about the two candidates” Americans are considering.

Only two candidates? (But WE HAVE KNOWN THIS FOR A WHILE BY IDENTIFYING WHICH CANDIDATE WAS THE "UN-COVERED CANDIDATE."

Our ears perked up as we listened on.

“This is a really hard choice, really, for Democratic voters because they like both candidates,” said Mr. From. “For me, I don’t see that going to be a problem. I think in the end, Senator Obama’s appeal that he’s made very firmly and directly to independent voters,

(Barack Obama, THE GREAT DISTRACTION SOON TO FADE ONCE EDWARDS IS OUT?)

...and Senator Clinton’s appeal to the forgotten middle class (SINCE WHEN? OH... 3 DAYS AGO I GUESSS I MISSED IT?)are going to add up to a very smashing Democratic majority in the fall.”

:freak:“This is not uncommon in primaries to see this kind of passionate support for one’s candidate,” added Harold Ford Jr., the D.L.C. chairman and a former Tennessee congressman.

Well, O.K. But what about John Edwards? He beat Mrs. Clinton in Iowa, as one reporter pointed out, but Mr. From still doesn’t think Mr. Edwards is viable.

NOT VIABLE ... FOR THE CORPORATION FOR SURE... BUT THE ONLYYY VIABLE CANDIDATE FORRRRR THE PEOPLE!

John Edwards... IS The ONLY CHOICE!

I’m not going to speculate where the Edwards people go because I don’t know, to be honest with you. (THE EDWARDS PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE BUT FOR EDWARDS... MR FROM!)

...I think Edwards has run a hard, tough campaign. It’s not a, you know, he doesn’t take the tack that necessarily I agree with. What we’ve seen so far in this campaign is optimism. … :freak:(About WHAT, WE ARE IN A RECESSION ... MORON!)

I think what you’re saying is that this is moving into a two-person race and that people in the race have been optimistic and hopeful, and I think that bodes well for the party because in the end, as long as I’ve been in politics — and I’m a lot older than 37 — the optimism always beats pessimism. (Lies Beat Truth?):scared:

During the rest of the call, the two men said they were pleased that ..."NONE"...:eyes: (AMAZING HOW THAT WORKED OUT IS IT NOT?) of the Democratic candidates supports a single-payer health care system, that they are all taking the environment seriously, and that they’re focusing on national security — a strength that Mr. From admits, “we’ve not always had.”

:eyes:(John Edwards National Health Plan Interestingly Provides Competition Between the Govt., and Private Plans which IS A Path to Single Payer National Health Plan!:) )

IS THIS WHAT DEMOCRATS WANT TO ENDORSE... :think:CANDIDATES THAT STAND WITH INSURANCE, NO HEALTH PLAN, DRUG AND OIL COMPANIES... AND HAVE VOTED UNERRINGLY TO CONTINUE FUNDING THE IRAQ WAR??????:crazy:

Mr. From also was asked how he felt about Senator Joe Lieberman’s decision to back Republican John McCain in this race. (Mr. Lieberman is a former D.L.C. chairman.)

“Joe Lieberman:puke: is a close friend of mine,” Mr. From said. (Does THAT tell you anything?) “I think he made the wrong decision. I disagree with him. I believe the kind of change we need in this country is going to come from a Democrat.” (and Mr. From Just WHAT kind of Change can a CORPORATE Friendly Democrat the likes of which YOU and THE Democratic Leadership Council Are Endorsing POSSIBLY Deliver to Working Americans?)

One reporter asked Mr. Ford specifically to talk about how race could affect the South Carolina primary. Mr. Ford, who is black, lost the 2006 senatorial election in Tennessee and some analysts believe racial undertones played a part in his defeat. He mostly avoided the question:

There are several million black voters, I’d be careful not to respond for every black voter. … In terms of the politics of it and where black or white or Hispanic or Asian or Native American voters are going to end up in South Carolina — there may be other groups or other people who are able to assess that, but that’s really not what our role or where our role is. :puffpiece::wow::spank: ("HAROLD FORD DANCES TO THE TUNE OF BIG BIZNESS$$$$$):wtf:

In his conclusion, Mr. From re-emphasized his talking points and made one more mention of this now being a race between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama.

I mean, this is a different party. (As Opposed to WHAT? :eyes:

:think: How ARE DLC DEMOCRATS ANY DIFFERENT THAN REPUBLICANS? Corporate Friendly, NO HEALTH CARE! FOS! ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! IRAQ WAR SUPPORTERS! NAFTA! NORMAN HSU, PETER PAUL, CHINESE DISHWASHERS! BOTH DLC CANDIDATES... BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY CORPORATE AMERICA!)

And that all bodes well.(FOR WHOM?) So we’re excited about what’s going on in these early primaries and we look forward to having our hand in this race as it goes forward and helping our candidate, whether it be Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, march to a very strong victory this fall.

CONCLUSION: This Demonstrates beyond ANY Shadow of a Doubt That the Establishment Democratic Party of Old Time "Insiders" such as Al From, Harold Ford and a host of other name and no-name "Sellouts to BIG BIZNESS$$$" do not care ONE WIT About The American People ... Their ONLY Concern is with GAINING POWER AND CONTROL!

Much like the Democrats "Re-Taking" of the House... It IS ALL ABOUT THE $$$$$$$$$$$$ AND THE POWER... NOT ABOUT USING THAT POWER TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF AMERICA OR DELIVER MEANINGFUL CHANGE FOR The People... Can ANYONE Say ... Get out of Iraq? Not the Democratic Congress!

If AnYONE IS PAying Attention... the candidate excluded from the conversation WHO IS FOR ... THE PEOPLE... IS... John Edwards! :eyes::think::applause:

America Lets Wake Up...Before its too late! :nuke:

[Drunken Irishman]

1. Do you have a link showing me Obama belongs to the DLC?

Thanks!

[Mythsaje]

6. Does it matter?

The DLC obviously finds him acceptable.

[Drunken Irishman]

11. And the DLC probably would've found Edwards circa 2003 acceptable, as well.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

12. Let us know when it's 2003 again

I have yet to travel back in time, but it sounds like it could be fun.

[Drunken Irishman]

23. And why did Edwards go from a conservative Democrat to liberal lion in a matter of three years?

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

27. Self-improvement n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

29. Of course, he needed a new message.

The only one had failed.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

30. Well it's 2008 and he's a progressive, so referring to what he was in 2003...

Is irrelevant, unless we all get sucked into a time warp.

[Drunken Irishman]

34. Not irrelevant, because we don't know if it's talk or action.

Just because he's now touting a progressive agenda doesn't mean he's a real progressive. Some people change their ideological stances for the sole purpose of getting elected.

[DaLittle Kitty]

42. Edwards Grew Up POOR... and Has Not Forgotten Where He Came From!

A Uniquely Qualified Candidate For President... IMO! :P: :patriot:

[Pastiche423]

50. That is not true

It is simply another bs spiel that johnnyboy uses. He grew up middle class. Ask anyone in Robbins, North Carolina.

The only thing poor about johnnyboy is his memory.

[martymar64]

74. So only rich folks for president for you, right?

All us peasants must stay in our place right?

I bet your candidate was born with a silver spoon.

[Pastiche423]

88. Huh?

What you said makes no sense. I was correcting the lie that johnnyboy grew up poor.

Hey, you may want to write this down, since your memory seems poor.

I HAVE NO CANDIDATE!

[martymar64]

93. I may have poor memory but better spelling

It's "since" not "sence".

Then if you don't like Edwards, then Obama and Clinton may seem like a choice between Pinochet and Pol Pot for you. It sure is for me and thus will not vote for either one.
Fuck both those warmongering corporate bootlickers.

[Pastiche423]

95. You are including johnnyboy

in your warmongering corporate bootlickers statement, right?

[martymar64]

97. I don't like his war vote but. . .

I like his anti-corporate rhetoric. That's where we diverge. Do you have any insight into what makes him a corporate bootlicker? My impression is that he fights corporations. That's what PI lawyers do. What did he do that turned you off?

[Pastiche423]

99. Please see my post #80 in this thread

Btw, impressions don't mean diddly squat when no action is involved.

[martymar64]

100. So your opinion is solely based on his Senate voting record

I won't fault you for that.
To be honest most of those votes chap my hide as well. But then again, all the other candidates besides DK held the exact same position. If you're consistent, then all those other chuckleheads won't get your vote either. I can understand that. Whether JE's rhetoric is to be believed or not is one thing. I believe in what he says about the issues. Whether he will follow through is another thing. But I do believe that the war is to be against the corporations and the Republicans and that we need to be merciless towards them. The "moderate" DLC candidates are already in bed with the enemy. If one of them wins, I'm boycotting the entire election.

[Pastiche423]

101. Hey, it's your right to believe anything you want

whether there is any proof for such belief, must not mean much to you.

I have consistently said I am supporting no candidate!

How many times must I say that before you get it?

[martymar64]

102. Supporting no candidate means not voting

I get it.
I'm not voting either. It's all a sham and our vote is worthless, they'll select who they want anyways.

The only answer is revolution.

[ClericJohnPreston]

106. Since when did working in a mill make someone middle class?

And he was born in South Carolina. What about those years?

Talk about going negative, saying anything, however petty.

Sad....

[Pastiche423]

111. Since when did working in a mill make someone poor?

My grandfather worked in a mill, grandmother never worked outside of the home, raised eight children, and they were not poor.

Telling the truth is going negative? What a hoot!

Did you ever stop to think that there are people alive today that knew him when he was younger and know that that bullshit line about being the son of a poor mill worker is a crock of shit?

When he was a teenager, he was a skinny, arrogant fluffer. Why do you think he got called johnnyboy?

[DaLittle Kitty]

120. The Edwards family were a hard working struggling to get by family w/ strong values

If they were middle class, they were barely... Depends on what you consider middle class I would guess? He sure as hell did not come from money!

[DaLittle Kitty]

103. It May Be Middle Class In Carolina But It Ain't AnyWhere Else! How Did HilBill Grow Up?

Ivy League Wellesley... All The Way!:wtf:

[Pastiche423]

110. lol

But it ain't anywhere else?

I'm not sure what to say to that silly statement. johnnyboy was not poor anywhere?

What does either Billor Hillary have to do w/whether johnnyboy grew up poor or not?

[Drunken Irishman]

61. I don't think John grew up poor.

I did, however. We used food stamps, lived in the projects, as my dad worked at 7-11 and my mom ran a daycare from our house. But being poor does not make me qualified to be president. JFK and FDR were born into rich, well off families and they were strong leaders.

[Kermitt Gribble]

112. It could be

that in 2003 he was representing the people of North Carolina, who I would view as generally conservative. He no longer has that obligation and is free to express his own views.

[DaLittle Kitty]

38. It IS Called Learning From Your Mistakes, Then Taking Strong Action To Correct Them!

That Demonstrates Character... Something That All Candidates Might Like To Talk About, But Few Candidates Possess.

John Edwards Has Demonstrated His Character in LEADING AGGRESSIVELY on virtually EVERY position of ANY importance... WHATSOEVER. :patriot:

Both of "The AL From Designated and DLC Approved Nominees" HAVE COPIED EDWARDS / PLAGIARIZED HIM nearly every step of the way.

Witness Hillary now taking things "personal" the other day... PLAGIARIZING Edwards Debate Rhetoric...

Just PATHETIC... :puke:

:kick: A*S Tuesday Johnny!

[martymar64]

75. The DLC is pathetic

They are the ideological twins of the Neocons.

The DLC is just as much our enemy as Bush/Cheney is and they deserve none of our support and neither do their candidates.

I pledge to NEVER vote for a DLC candidate. Period.

[bobbolink]

76. Why did RFK all those years ago?

People change.

[DaLittle Kitty]

39. OnlY For The Uninitiated and The Ill Informed...

[Kucinich4America]

46. Some people seem to think it's 1992 again.

And they want to make the same mistake they did then.

[Mythsaje]

13. I'm sure they would have...

But the message he's spreading now? Unacceptable. Totally unacceptable.

They don't like who he's bringing to the dance. The rest of us.

Up with Edwards!

[AP]

86. They didn't like him them either. NAM hated him too in 2003.

[AP]

84. They didn't like him 2003 either, because he voted against more trade deals than Kooch and Gephardt

[DaLittle Kitty]

107. Polar Opposite of The Clinton/Obama Tag Team! Fu*K American Jobs Is Their Motto!

THINK PEOPLE... THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT WORKING IN OUR BEST INTERESTS! :nuke:

[LittleClarkie]

18. If you're going to call Obama DLC, then it would help if you had facts on your side, wouldn't it?

Of course it matters. If he does not belong to the DLC, then he's not a DLC candidate. Hillary belongs to the DLC, and hence that is a correct statement about her.

Edwards was on their rolls too. Don't know if he is now. They don't publish their member list anymore.

[Mythsaje]

21. He's not.

At least, I would think not, considering they are certainly not supporting his candidacy.

[DaLittle Kitty]

45. Hillary and Obama or Obama and Hillary ... IN A VIRTUAL TIE FOR WALL STREET $$$$$$$!

Please endeavor to smell ... THE COFFEE! Before its too late! :nuke:

[Kucinich4America]

48. He's certainly getting a lot of DLC endorsements

Al From and Harold Ford, as mentioned above.

Ben "barely a Democrat" Nelson of Nebraska.

Tim " my voting record was better when I was in a coma" Johnson of SD.

Adam Smith, Washington state Obama campaign chair, who was a "DLC'er" before there WAS a DLC.

just to name a few.

[NYCGirl]

72. And how does that explain Ned Lamont, Bill Bradley and John Kerry? NT

[DaLittle Kitty]

105. BRADLEY and Kerry Are DLC as well.

[DaLittle Kitty]

126. Great Supportive Points!

:)

[Cha]

62. Why are the dlcers via hillary and bill..

smearing and jeering Obama for all they're worth then?

[DaLittle Kitty]

7. Al From and Harold Ford ARE Endorsing HIS AND Hillary's Candidacies... NOT EDWARDS!

That's all anyone should need to know... You DO NOT have to be a member of the DLC per se... to BE A DLC CANDIDATE. It is All About the $$$$ , being bought and beholden to big bizness. At the expense of YOU and I of course! Quite Simple. DLC aka Bill Clinton gave us NAFTA... Exclusive reason WHY SOOO Many People voted for Ross Perot in 1992. Please step back and think... That's all Where do you want America to go?:)

[Drunken Irishman]

Oh, ok, thanks!

I guess I didn't know endorsements ultimately made the candidate and whether or not they blonged to the DLC.

Forget for a second that a lot of progressives have endorsed Obama, but they don't count, right? It's all about a few DLCers and their endorsement. Thanks for letting me know!

[LWolf]

17. He doesn't.

Spend some time reading the stuff at the "progressive policy institute," though, and you will notice that his positions are a good match.

[OzarkDem]

57. He's taking the money

that the DLC is helping pass out. Anyone with a little experience in Washington Dem politics knows how this system works.

DLC controls all the corporate money, they are the "front" for corporate interests to Democrats running for office. If you need an example, compare the legislative agenda of the US Chamber of Commerce with the DLC's. You won't find many differences. Same playbook, same masters.

Any Dem (like Obama) who is taking massive amounts of money from corporations from his campaign already knows his legislative agenda has to pass muster with DLC. They don't mind if Obama does it behind the scenes, as long as he votes and leads the way they want him to. No problem.

[Snotcicles]

2. That is one busy post. But I liked it. nt

edit spelling

[Cleita]

3. Thanks for saying it. n/t

[wyldwolf]

4. Clarification

Edwards WAS a DLC member in the Senate.

Obama is not a DLC member but many of his policies were 'borrowed' from them. (like National Service, teacher's merit pay, private companion accounts to social security, welfare reform, etc.)

Clinton is a DLC member and many of her policies are similar to Obama's.

[DaLittle Kitty]

9. Nice Addition and PAINTS .. THE PICTURE... Fills in AnY spaces. Thanks!

:)

[Fovea]

5. Our elite fear democratic principles

They rock the gravy train.
This election cycle was weighted for the status quo in both parties.
Too bad both parties are so close to coming apart at the seams
that the status quo may find its head on a pike within two cycles.

The DLC is not controlled by Democrats in any sense that I understand the term.

[DaLittle Kitty]

10. RIGHT ON BROTHER! K&Rec please...

[Name removed]

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[DaLittle Kitty]

14. Thanks for your remarks... You MUST Support ONE OF THE DLC ENDORSED CANDIDATES... HMMM?

:puke:

[Mythsaje]

22. Actually, Cali claims to support Kucinich.

:shrug:

She has a lot of fun murdering poor innocent electrons in just about any positive Edwards thread.

[cali]

26. nope. I support Obama.

And I've explained to you in detail about why I was planning originally to vote for Kucincih. Interesting that you'd forget. The OP is obnoxious flamebait and lying flamebait at that. I react to that stuff in kind- even if it's about Obama. And if this is your idea of a positive thread, that explains quite a lot. Furthermore, I do not go into the vast majority of positive Edwards threads, but when they're really all about bashing Obama? Yeah.

[Mythsaje]

28. Well, you don't trust Edwards.

I don't trust Obama.

We're even.

[Jim Sagle]

33. I don't trust anyone who DOES support Obama.

[cali]

24. you're quite welcome.

I support Obama. YOU support a candidate who was one of the chief dem cheerleaders for bombing the shit out of Iraq and co-sponsored an IWR with Lieberman. You support a candidate who made bucks off of a predatory loan company and shelters his money in a fund that uses off shore accounts. You support the candidate who voted for a terrible bankruptcy "reform" bill that was vetoed by Clinton. You support the candidate that voted to poison NV with Yucca Mtn.

You must support a warmonger, hmmm, kitty?

[Mythsaje]

15. Oh, goody

another needless murder of poor innocent electrons from Cali.

[NoPasaran]

19. But cali

What:shrug: it:puffpiece: lacks:dilemma: in:eyes: logic:think: it:dunce: makes:hurts: up:thumbsup: in:beer: smilies:banghead:

[ellisonz]

55. This reminds me

That :shrug: it :puffpiece: takes :popcorn: a :wow: village :grouphug: to :toast: raise :headbang: a :wow: child :patriot:

:sarcasm:

[martymar64]

77. Another Hillary supporter with a slaveholder avatar.

Who do you think mowed the lawn at the Hermitage? Mexican? no, SLAVES!

How 'bout that Trail of Teras, too? Showed them pesky Cherokees what's what. So a few thousand of them died? No matter, it's all in the name of Manifest Destiny!

Does this mean you think Obama's getting a little uppity?
Maybe you can dig up Nathan Bedford Forrest, he'll teach him!

[havocmom]

20. is it permissible to attack a poster as 'psycho kitty'?

Seems somewhat personal attack rather than a substantive discussion of any points of the discussion.

Hey, I THINK that about some people here, but I refrain from actually posting it. If it IS allowed, woo-hoo, I am taking aim at those whose opinions I find disquieting.

edited for typo - I'm just SO excited to find out personal attacks are now ok

[DaLittle Kitty]

44. Nicely Said and Well Put... Mom! Thank you!

:)

[mtnsnake]

16. So big effin deal that they're part of the DLC. It doesn't mean that's ALL they are

Despite what you read on DU, there are a few good things about the DLC as well as all the bad things, too. Obama and Hillary have taken the best parts of it, rejected any of the bad parts, and combined the good parts with their liberal beliefs to make them such viable winners across the board.

[DaLittle Kitty]

43. And The Good Parts Are? No Health Care, Fund the War, Sell OUT To Corp America, and on and on!!

The BUFOONERY is NAUSEATING... :puke:

[martymar64]

78. DLC = Corporations and War before People

That's all we need to know. If Obama or Hillary win, it's four more years of the same old shit sucking at the Corporate tit.

[lisainmilo]

109. Yep!

:eyes: ....makes me sick....but that is the truth!

[DaLittle Kitty]

129. Well Said My Friend...

It's ALL About Da $MONEY$! Therer is in reality but ONE Party... NOT Two... as we have been brainwashed to believe, but that one party that is all about the Money... "he Money Party" And the DLC'ers are no different than the Republicans as they stand in lock step for the same things!

[Marrah_G]

25. I'm with Edwards until he says otherwise- But smearing the others is an awful way to support him

I think you are VERY wrong and frankly I'm ashamed to think you are on the same side as I am. We are better then this. DU is better then this.

[Clarkansas]

31. Nice lie. Good luck with that. eom

[Adelante]

32. Here, DaLittle Kitty

I went into another thread to lift the image source from one of your many posts of this pic.



I know it has no relevance to the OP, but neither did it have any relevance to any Op in threads you've posted it to.

Just thought I would save you the trouble :hi:

[DaLittle Kitty]

36. Thought It Would Be Nice To See The Parents NOW Rather Than Later...

Cause We Will See Them Later... One Way or the other unless folks are just too naive to get a grip on that? :)

[Adelante]

37. Have they been kept a secret?

:shrug:

[DaLittle Kitty]

41. Pretty Much... At Least Until Edwards Is Out Of The Way... Then This Will Be Part of

That Pesky Electability Argument... CERTAIN to ensue... Listen to Hillary w/ the LBJ CRAP>>> C'mon... Its ALREADY HERE! WAKE UP PEOPLE! :donut:

[Adelante]

49. Obama's parentage has been kept a SECRET?

Are you nuts?

[DaLittle Kitty]

127. Nope Just An Experienced Pragmatist!

:)

[babylonsister]

47. One is black, one is white. We know that. So what? What's there

to get a grip on? We're not all racists on this bus.

[Adelante]

51. Can you believe this one?

:crazy:

[DaLittle Kitty]

52. No But The Other Side Is LOADED W/ 'em In The General.. That's ONE Major Problem That Will

Be brought out by The Repub's in the General Election If Obama is The Nominee... Wake Up! Sad But True... Gotta Go W/ The Facts not Fantasy!

[babylonsister]

54. Wow. Just wow. I see what side you're coming from. nt

[DaLittle Kitty]

81. Yes, The Side That Wants To Actually Achieve Change For The People!

What a nice thought hmmm?:)

[Occam Bandage]

35. Obama is not a DLC member. Edwards, however, co-founded a DLC organization.

[OzarkDem]

59. Here's a test for you

Between Edwards and Obama:

Which one has a legislative agenda that is more closely aligned with the DLC (I know this is tough work for you folks who prefer to skip the issues and just play political games)

Which candidate has received the most money from corporate donors - the same folks who back and control the DLC - Edwards or Obama?

Answer those questions and you'll have your answer.

Here's a hint - Edwards is not aligned with nor receiving money from DLC masters.

[DaLittle Kitty]

82. Hello There W/ Eyes Wide Open Who Not ONLY looks... But Sees... and Comprehends... We Need More of

YOU!:)

[Occam Bandage]

96. Edwards has actually received the same proportion of donations from corporate sources

as Obama has. The only reason Obama's raised more corporate money is that Obama has raised more money, period. As for the issues, well, I'd give a slight edge to Edwards...that is, up until he starts having to answer to more than just his niche in the Democratic party, at which point he'd change his tune yet again.

[DemDogs]

116. Another lie from "One Voice"

Either back up these lies (which you can't) or stop posting.

[Radical Activist]

117. Edwards has the more DLC voting record

compared to Obama's solid progressive record throughout his career. The fact that Obama can raise money means he's a winning candidate.

[DemDogs]

115. This post without sources is a lie. And we are tired of it.

What the heck?

[sniffa]

40. Where's the picture of Obama's parents?

[Adelante]

53. Oh

:rofl:

[sniffa]

58. I think it's just concern

[NYCGirl]

73. It's ALWAYS concern.

:evilgrin:

[Pastiche423]

56. johnnyboy was a DLCER for the six years he was in the senate

Obama never has been nor is he now a DLCer.

What you are spewing are nothing but lies.

[OzarkDem]

60. Was, not is

John learned a lot while in the Senate, and after leaving it. Anyone with half a brain cell who has bothered to follow his work since then knows he is no longer a DC insider and is much the better man for it.

Take a few moments and read his legislative platform, then tell me if that's the platform of someone who whores for corporate contributions.

If Edwards were still a DLC'er, he would be raking in the money Obama and Clinton are getting now and getting the same media coverage from the corporate news whores.

The fact that he isn't speaks volumes about his integrity and the lack of those who are.

I doubt this will change your opinion of whichever DLC candidate it is that you support, but do me a favor and don't come crying to the rest of us if one of those whores is elected and governs in the WH the same way they serve in the Senate - as spineless Dems.

You may choose to keep failing again and again, but some of us prefer to learn from experience and be a hold our candidates to a higher level of scrutiny and accountability before we back them.

Popularity and media coverage doesn't mean shit. A solid legislative agenda, good values focused on the country and not on the economic royalty are a lot more appealing to me.

[dailykoff]

63. He isn't anything right now.

He holds no public office, so this is meaningless.

[OzarkDem]

65. So candidates who hold no public office are invalid?

How so?

[dailykoff]

70. He has no power to make law, and hasn't for four years. (n/t)

[OzarkDem]

71. And? So what?

Our other choices are people who have held office for the last 4 years, made poor choices and continue to defend those poor choices.

Thanks, but I'll take Edwards.

[Pastiche423]

66. To begin

I am supporting no one. So that shoots down your "...whichever DLC candidate it is that you support..."

Further, I will never support a DLCer. Which is one reason among many that I did not support johnnyboy in 2004.

In 1998 I made a mistake. I voted for a guy for the senate, that sounds like what johnnyboy is claiming to be today. His name? John Edwards.

He did not vote in the senate like he promised in 1998. He became a DLCer, co-sponsored *'s IWR and voted for it. His senate voting record has been posted multiple times on this site. There is no arguing that he did not vote progressively.

Not only did he vote w/the DLC, but he ignored his constituents. He returned no emails, letters or phone calls.

Today he's back at it again, claiming he is the most progressive of the candidates, just like he did in 1998.

As I have repeated time and time again on this site, ACTIONS speak louder than words.

What has he done that makes him progressive? Please list w/links what he has done, not said to help the poor and low-income citizens.

[OzarkDem]

67. Some of us are voting based on other issues

I trust him more than the other two on health care issues because:

1. It has affected him in a personal way, not the case for the other two

2. If he were such a slave to corporations, they would be giving him money and media coverage instead of trying to run him out of the race.

Its slim pickings, for sure, but I would rather place my bets on the person who the insurance companies and defense contractors DON'T want elected than the ones they do.

[Pastiche423]

68. Can't answer my question?

No worries, no one else has been able to answered it either.

WHAT HAS HE DONE?

[OzarkDem]

69. I think I just did

He has a record in the Senate, a good one on health care issues. If that's not good enough for you, too bad.

check page 30

http://www.stopbreastcancer.org/pdf/vGuide04Final_108.pdf


check page 26

http://www.stopbreastcancer.org/pdf/vGuide02.pdf

check page 40

http://www.stopbreastcancer.org/pdf/votersguide.pdf

[Pastiche423]

80. No, you still have not answered my question

Do you know what the word, "done" means? In case you do not, it means actively accomplishing an act or deed. Neither of which johnnyboy has accomplished.

But what he HAS accomplished...

He voted for NCLB - A horrible bill that hurts the education of our children

He voted for trade in China - Yea for the corporations!

He voted for the Patriot Act - We don't need civil rights, do we?

He voted for Homeland Security - Which has proven to be just what We, the People need, no?

He voted for Yucca mtn - What a wonderful locale to dump our nuclear waste, except for the fact that it's earthquake country.

He voted for *'s war resolution and co-sponsored the damn thing - We all now know how great that turned out, eh?

He voted for bankruptcy bill - Another big YEA for the corporations

He voted to exempt fuel refiners from liability - And yet another YEA for the Corporations

He voted against regulation of drinking water - Oh my! One more vote for the corporations

He did not bother to vote on an Iraq investigation - We must all believe what our government has told us, even when we now know it was based on lies

AND..

His ADA voting record was a whopping 60%! - Oh dear, that isn't very progressive is it?

What a splendidly progressive senate voting record.

NOT!

[DaLittle Kitty]

85. Hmm... What Has Obama Done?

?

[Pastiche423]

90. This subthread is about johnnyboy

no one else.

[DaLittle Kitty]

79. Bravo For The Independent Thinking Voter VS. The Blind Followers Who Hear But D Not Listen!

:)

[martymar64]

87. So I guess you'll not vote for anybody for President.

I've already decided that if a candidate won't get us out of the war or get us single payer health care, then they are not worth voting for.
I'm beginning to think we need a revolution and not an election. The fix is apparently already in on this one and the people's voice will once again mean jack shit to those in power. If they won't represent us, then it might be time to remove them by force.

[Pastiche423]

89. It depends

My primary is not until May 20. Which essentially means my vote does not count........................AGAIN.

I will not vote for anyone that was or is a DLCer, not will I vote for anyone that voted to kill over a million innocent men, women, children and babies.

If by some miracle (meaning the corporations do NOT have a say in our primaries) I would be more than happy to vote for Dennis Kucinich.

Barring that miracle, this may be the 1st time since 1972 that I will not vote for a listed candidate for president.

[martymar64]

94. I agree on that!

I'm getting really sick of all of these fucking corporate candidates. It must be time for the revolution!

[tammywammy]

64. You have completely convinced me with your use of CAPS

Excellent usage. I'm so glad you felt the need to start this thread.


edited to add: Also, great use of smileys. I rarely see an OP that uses smileys as efficiently as you.

[DaLittle Kitty]

83. Why... Thank You!

:)

[hayu_lol]

91. Edwards was one of the Senate members who joined Joe Lieberman's...

DLC group...one of two groups that Edwards belonged to...both centrist...ummm...Joe Lieberman's idea of centrist.

[lisainmilo]

92. nice post!!!

Yep....he is the peoples prez...God Bless JRE for running for office!

[DaLittle Kitty]

104. The Rest Are BOUGHT!

:PUKE:

[Alexander]

98. Don't tell lies - Obama was never a member of the DLC.

[FlyingSquirrel]

108. Holy Cats that's a lot of smileys.

Especially like the :nuke: at the end... nice touch. ;)

"We cannot wait for the proof that you chose the wrong Democratic candidate to come in the form of a mushroom cloud..."

:rofl: :popcorn: :patriot:

[karynnj]

113. You're right! HRC and JRE have been DLC members, Obama has not been one

You have to be in office to be in the DLC - JRE was DLC until he left office. Obama never joined and specifically asked them to take his name off a 2005 list, where they claimed him within days of its release.

Obama started as an advocate organizing people on the streets of the south side of Chicago, living on $12,000 a year rather than working as a corporate lawyer, Edwards' first job. Obama saw poverty first hand in Chicago and saw how the government programs functioned. His efforts in the Illinois Senate reflect some of this knowledge. His efforts and concerns on that stretch back over more than a decade. He has done work that shows that he has the values of helping the disadvantaged that draw many people to Edwards.

Giving Edwards the benefit of any doubts, what he saw in either 2004 or when Katrina hit made these issues critical to him. His passion to correct things that are unfair is commendable, but he is not the only one that ever was motivated to do so. I hope that Edwards people, if it becomes clearer that he can not win, will give Obama's life story and his positions an unjaundiced look. They might find that he is not as some have tried to portray him.

[Radical Activist]

118. Great comment.

[DaLittle Kitty]

121. Obama's Wife Makes $300K annually...

I am in for Edwards allll th eway... and as far as Obama goes... Like some cars... He's All Show and No Go when the fad follower glitz wears off... That is Hillary is no better and in my opinion both BO and HRC are "choice" candidates for the Repub's to shoot full 'o holes in the General...

[karynnj]

122. True,

but not at that point in time. THe Edwards made millions in their law careers. Even now the Obamas were said to have assets less than $5 million. The Edwards have 10 times as much - mostly earned before he went to the Senate so it's not that Obama is younger.

It's Edwards who voted for the bankruptcy bill and got nearly half a million dollars for what can almost be called a no show job for a hedge fund company. Like it or not, Obama spent 3 years making $12,000 a year working to help people on the South side of Chicago.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

114. I think you may need a new keyboard - your CAPS LOCK button appears to be broken.

That said, looking at the quality of thought and argument in your post, it's quite possible that you do really believe that things are more convincing if posted in capitals.

[DemocraticNation]

119. The DLC..

Just for a point of clarification, the DLC is neutral in this race. They are forbidden by law to endorse a candidate.

[LittleClarkie]

123. How is Obama DLC? Show me how he's associated with that group.

Being approved of by the DLC does not make you one of their members.

[DaLittle Kitty]

124. Look At His Policies Dude!

:puke:

[stravu9]

125. I'm with you all the way!

Ask me if I care about the other Candidates?
I DON"T!
I have said before and will state again, If Edwards is shut out this life long , campaign working, door to door, social worker , volunteer Democrat becomes either a GDI or a Green.
Let the corporate media endorse whom they may.
I'm done playing nice!
These are my rules now and if my team doesn't win then I won't play with the BIG KIDS at the Democratic party leadership any more!
I'll take my toys and my vote and play with someone who is nicer to me.

[DaLittle Kitty]

128. Bravo #9! Fu*K 'em!

These People about whom Edwards voices such disdain are the same :puke: aas the other side which in fact are one in the same! Thank you!

[Freddie Stubbs]

130. Wasn't Edwards a member of the Senate New Democratic Coalition?

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

131. Obama is not and never has been DLC.

Neither Hillary or Edwards can say that no matter how many smilies are used.