The Level of Disrespect the Clintons have for Obama is Sickening

[Bullet1987]

The panel brought up a very good point on Meet the Press with regards to the Clinton/Obama fued. One of them talked about how the Clinton's, many in the Senate, and the Bush White House are really envious towards Obama because he's the new kid on the block getting so much attention and love. This is showing itself in the way the Clinton campaign just totally disrespects Obama. And no, it's not something ALL candidates would do...because Obama wasn't attacking Clinton nearly on the same level and never has. Because he respects Hillary Clinton, he even congratulated her when he lost NH, that was more than she could do...or would ever do for him. When Obama was down in the polls, people were asking "when is Obama going to go after Hillary." Clinton supporters can't point out a couple of soft jabs as proof that Obama has gone after Hillary on the same level she has of him. You know, when people said the Clinton's were "me first" and power hungry...I never believed them. I thought it was just anti-Clintonism seeping through. As the days go by, this election is proving me wrong more and more.

I, for the life of me, don't know why Obama isn't going after Hillary and challenging her on her "35 years of experience." If Obama hopes to win the nomination, he can't let her continue unchallenged on that. Bill Richardson basically said in the NH debate that none of them were as experienced as he was...and it's the truth. Same thing for Biden and Dodd too. Hillary Clinton couldn't hold their jock straps when it comes to experience. What major piece of legislation has she ever put forward that changed anything in 35 years? What crisis's has she negotiated and brought peace to? There are many ways to water down her experience argument, but the Obama people don't seem like they want to do that...for whatever reason.

One thing is for certain though, this race is already splitting the Party in ways I've never seen before.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. "Clinton couldn't hold their jock straps "

I think you need to brush up on your metaphors...I don't think politcians wear jock straps unless they have some weird fetish I don't even want to think of...

[origin1286]

8. That doesn't make sense

1. I don't think it's a metaphor in the first place

2. If you make the leap that by saying that he is comparing politicians to athletes, than his use of "jock strap" makes perfect sense

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Athletes Wear Jock Straps...Boxers Wear Jock Straps ...Politicians Presumably Wear Underwear

The metaphor comes from Larry Holmes who famously or infamously said "Rocky Marciano couldn't carry my jock strap."

[origin1286]

20. Damnit

That's not a metaphor either lol

If anything it's more of a proverb

Proverb: A brief, sage saying that expresses a truth about life in a striking manner.
"They are not all cooks who carry long knives" is an example of a proverb.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Proverb, Simile, Whatever...

And see post #13...

[thunder rising]

2. I disagree, they respect him a lot...

and they are going to lose this election because their campaign is a reflection of Republican and old Dem politics. If you can't beat the candidate on facts just beat the candidate. It's all they know.

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[JerseygirlCT]

24. I agree that it just reflects back on her campaign.

I think it does her more damage than him.

[MadBadger]

3. Are you talking about Tim Russert other self titled show?

[KittyWampus]

4. DU'ers supporting Obama- stop reacting to Hillary. At this point, you're hurting your own cause

Let Hillary's surrogates here on DU and on the campaign trail lay the bait.

Why some DU'ers continue to take it is beyond me.

IF YOU JUST STOPPED REACTING it'd be apparent what was going on.

[Essene]

6. This isnt just about the bait. Hillary camp's smears are disgraceful n/t

[KittyWampus]

11. Yeah, so? Reacting to them emotionally hurts your cause. And as they accumulate, they'll make Clint

Clinton look bad on all their own- without any need for Obama or his supporters to FEED them.

[Essene]

28. Spare me this "emotional" stuff. Deal with the facts.

[Marrah_G]

33. She is here for the purpose of causing more division and harm- she is not going to listen

Fortunately DU is better then that and she will soon fade away.

There are a few of them here on both sides who are having a wonderful time trying to get the different candidates supporters to hate each other. I know most of DU is too smart to fall for the BS.

[Essene]

36. I am not going away. And im presenting the facts. FLAME AWAY like im the problem

Disgraceful.

[jonnyblitz]

7. SHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I want them to keep it up.

and i am not a Hillary supporter, I just can't stand Obama.

[Essene]

12. This divisiveness will turn-off voters and alienated minorities. Sad that you enjoy it

[KittyWampus]

16. Reacting constantly to it just reinforces the divisiveness. You may feel better voicing outragen

but it's only temporary and will just make more slime likely.

[Essene]

26. The issue isnt "reacting" but how you react. Not reacting to this is scary.

For example,

I think it would be a mistake to fall prey to the race baiting by insisting that Hillary is "racist" or whatever. I do not think that's the case, although they are engaging in race baiting campaigning (which is racist in a more structural sense).

But just ignoring this and the implications is WORSE.

[Maven]

39. So now if we don't support your candidate we're "divisive"

And here I thought more people didn't vote for him in NH because they're racist. :eyes:

[Essene]

42. I have no candidate. Truth isnt a team sport.... sorry.

I'm supporting both Edwards and Obama at this point.

I used to be a very, very big Clinton fan... but feel free to attack me like that helps.

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[BeyondGeography]

10. A beautiful symbol...a hip black friend

Every day, another addition to the garbage pile.

[KittyWampus]

15. Good make a list. But revenge is a dish best served cold. Your outrage doesn't help

it just feeds the energy accumulating over this crap.

Get it?

Make a note of it and move on to positive stuff about Obama.

[Essene]

27. I'm presenting the facts (and it's getting deleted systematically, i might add)

My "outrage" isnt the issue at all.

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[2rth2pwr]

13. "couldn't hold their jockstraps"

Are you from the Obama campaign?
That sounds pretty sexist to me. Jock straps are genital oriented and used mainly in contact sports,
also the mental imagery you are are creating by that language is quite phallocentric.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Good Catch

Up thread I just thought it was an awkward metaphor...

[JAbuchan08]

48. you are absolutely right.

but that is a distraction from the main issue, which is that Hillary Clinton is not qualified to be president.

[maddiejoan]

14. None of this is new ya know

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/the-complete-history-of-dirty-politics-a-qa-on-anything-for-a-vote/

[MollieBradford]

18. well if the gossipy pundits on TeeVee

say that is how the Clintons feeeeeeeeeeeeel, then it must be true.

[CoffeeCat]

21. I only hope that common sense prevails...

Hillary the warmonger and sold-out corporatist who is clearly in bed with the neocons--may
be able to fool some people as she campaigns with her new-and-improved personality and forced
smiles.

That's sad.

I saw her campaign up close and personal, in Iowa. She blazed into this state with her sense
of entitlement. She planted questions at events, lied about it, and then accused an Iowan
of being a plant--just because she didn't want to explain her Kyl/Lieberman vote.

The woman cannot defend that horrendous vote, so she attacks Americans who dare broach the
subject. Her answer, "I was hoping it would help foster diplomacy" holds no water. She
knows it.

Hillary was so arrogant in Iowa. She was closed off and refused to answer questions from
Iowans or the media.

She changed her modus operandi when she realized that her "inevitability" was no longer and that
being herself just didn't work.

Now, she's playing Rebecca of Sunnybrooke farm---as she skips across the country.

Hillary's policies, her arrogance and her fakery are sickening.

If it's true that voters gave her the sympathy vote in NH--I hope to God the Democrats come back to their
senses and vote for an authentic candidate--who doesn't have to develop new personalities as a campaign
strategy.

[intheozone]

22. Sorry, I think you are wrong and over-reacting.

I haven't seen any signs of disrespect. This is a campaign, campaigns required a certain amount of fight among the candidates. Hillary is fighting for a job she thinks she is qualified for and she wants. Obama is doing the same. Maybe you have not paid attention to that many presidential campaigns but what is going on is not to be unexpected, nor is it a sign of disrespect by any of the candidates. Please don't let the talking heads on TV convince you of things that are untrue. I have been watching the candidates (all of them because I have not yet decided who to support) and have to say that I have not seen any sign that Hillary does not respect Obama. I believe Hillary thinks that Obama is not yet ready for the top-man position, but that doesn't mean she doesn't respect him. So please, just breathe, and come to your own conclusions, not those of the bias talking-heads.

:hi:

Edited to correcting spelling in header.

[sufrommich]

31. You may want to edit your post....

unless you have some definitive proof that the OP is eating too much.;-)

[intheozone]

34. Thanks, post editing,

I relied on spell-check without paying attention-always a mistake.

[Essene]

25. go ahead... keep deleting all the times ive posted the facts. Im documenting this

Yes,

Some of the times ive tried to make certain points, i've BACKED IT UP WITH THE RECORD and facts.

You will pretend im SPAMMING by simply continuing to show some of the facts. You call that "spamming" but i call it keeping the dialog grounded in specifics.

I guess you delete posts whenever they repeatedly link to the facts?

[Marrah_G]

29. You are spamming the board trying to fuel the flamewar- this is against DU rules

[Essene]

43. How many times will you spam attacks of me???

[Marrah_G]

40. Another one bites the dust!

[BringBigDogBack]

32. Fuck em.

[durrrty libby]

35. Please start a petition demanding Obama use Jesse Jackson Jr

as the voice of his campaign. Jesse needs to be in the media 24/7

It would be da bomb:applause:



Edit to add video in case you missed the awesomness

ttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x83084

[Cameron27]

41. No, make them pay a "smear tax"

whether it's $1, or $5 or more (or less), make a contribution to Hill, and thank them for it. :-)

[durrrty libby]

47. Oh no. I think Jesse out there 24/7 would be much more helpful

:wink:

[mtnsnake]

38. I love all the "blame the Clintons" threads for anything wrong that happened to my candidate. lol

[fightindonkey]

44. Poor Barack, Fake Outrage Thread #3245446

[Perry Logan]

45. May God save Obama from his followers.

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[Cha]

49. It's all about hillary and bill and

woe to anyone who has the Audacity Of HOpe to stand in their way.

Yeah, we'll see how your little fucked up smearboating takes you back to the white house or not.