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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:19 PM Original message |
If Obama becomes identified as the "black" choice for President , he's finished |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. Better to get it out now then in the GE |
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ElizabethDC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Indeed, I think you're very right about that. n/t |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. If the Democratic party cant handle it... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. Correct answer. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. bingo. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Yep..... |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:23 PM Original message |
Yeah, we saw how all those racist white voters in 95% white Iowa totally rejected him. |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
70. It Was A CAUCUS |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Yes, it was. But they're still voters, they just vote in a different way. |
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Superman Returns (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. I find disturbing |
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TheDebbieDee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
24. "As if she's just a black woman as opposed to a respected adviser ...." |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
5. Were I working for the Clinton campaign, I would attempt to provoke just that. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. But they have miscalculated both by the fact that we are no longer in the 1990..... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Well, time will tell just how similar the '00s are to the '90s. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. And there's a flip side to that.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Deleted sub-thread |
Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. And Hillary knows it, which is why her campaign has resorted to using... |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
68. BINGO! |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. Bullshit |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Bullshit is right. The whole point of his candidacy is that he moves beyond that kind of politics. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. Genie? Bottle? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. The problem would be if he were to be see as a black activist instead of a "post-racial" candidate. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. True, true. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. Obama's on that slippery road right now... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Wonder who pushed him down that slide....... |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
17. It really is a double standard and it is not fair.... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Which is kind of funny, actually. They claim that if Obama is linked to race, it will hurt him. |
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Anouka (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Therefore, they hurt him. They -- not him. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Absolutely. It's politics at its smartest and dirtiest. |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Women are a majority. That is why they can get away with that |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. you're right about the arithmatic |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. The double standard is appalling. We haven't come as far on race as we thought a week ago |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
40. The women I know don't buy this |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Hopefully most can see it |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
69. Exactly Hillary Clinton appeals to the gender card |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Very good post! |
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jackson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
20. Obama will be helped in South Carolina by this but you are right |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. I made that point too (not as good as you), I've already seen the back lash start |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. "but he didn't and his campaign joined it today" ???? Put an end to something |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Make a statement? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:47 PM Original message |
Catch-22. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
52. Well, that's true too... |
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Herman Munster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. worst thing obama can do is confront this and call the clinton campaign racist |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Do you include Andrew Cuomo and Hillary and Bill Clinton amongst Obama's |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Absolutely. His best course of action is to let the Clintons say what they will, |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I agree that the *official* stance of the campaign should be to ignore. But... |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. and I can tell you to shut the hell up. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. That's what I mean... |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. To come out and say, "Hillary, Bill and campaigners, STOP saying these things" |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I already did. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Thanks! I just get a little upset when people insist that Obama put an end to.. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. I don't support Cinton.... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. I think Hillary's best course of action is to fire Bill. |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. self delete |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Start? You've been trying--laughably unsuccessfully--to drive it. |
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Anouka (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
27. I completely agree with you. And looking at his campaign, so does Obama. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. If you think the Clinton's are creating that road for Obama, |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I wish that as well. |
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1corona4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I emailed that O'Donnell POS to a friend in CA today.... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I've got a similar issue with my fiancée, and she happily voted for him in '04. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
36. ObamaNation needs to recall the story of the boy who cried Wolf! |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
38. Woman ar already saying they are voting for Hillary "Because she is a woman". Can only get worse. |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
71. No It Can't. See, Everyone Knows That Hillary Is A Woman, But Everyone Also Respects Her Experience |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
43. Absolutely - I hope his campaign folks are reading your post and this thread. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
44. "the Donna Brazille's and Jesse Jackson's of the world"! You mean black people? |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
46. Call it what you want .... |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
49. As an Obama supporter, I think |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. It's sickening that only black people have to be "deracialized" |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. C'est la vie. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
50. again? |
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origin1286 (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
62. Obama is not letting it out |
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vee (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
64. Maybe he can pull a Clark Kent. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
65. Once again Team Hillary implies that Hillary can attack all she wants, and if Obama responds.... |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Obama Can Respond, But Not By Playing Race, When Nothing About Race Was Ever Spoken Of |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
66. It seems that Bill Clinton is drawing more attention to his color than anybody... |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. No, Obama Supporters Are Using Bill's Words To Manipulate It Into Race, Not Plain Criticism |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
67. For the record, I found Jesse's comments VERY offensive. |
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fightindonkey (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
74. Hillary's Now Just Going To Sit Back And Watch His Campaign Self-Implode |
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