As a civil DUer, I find it disgusting and petty

[politicasista]

That people are taking ONE candidate endorsement and coming down to the Republican level of spouting RW talking points, childish name calling and other mean-spirted attacks on a good Democrat like senator Kerry, a liberal senator, and a progressive that has worked hard to do things that others have been silent about. All of this just because he didn't endorse their candidate.

I understand people criticizing everything about 2004, but do you think that tearing down one person while promoting others helps your candidate? I don't.

Was everyone this angry when Clark or our favorite liberals endorsed HRC? I wasn't.

What about when Gore endorsed Dean? I wasn't.

Even if the senator endorsed anyone besides Obama, I wouldn't be angry, I may disagree and go work for my candidate and hope the best person wins.


I doubt that Hillary, Edwards, Obama, Kuchinch even Richardson, Biden, Dodd would appreciate this childish behavior towards a good person. That mentailty is for the Republicans, and I for one will not play that game, but if you choose to, hey, knock yourself out.

[styersc]

1. How exciting is it

for the candidate who single handedly invented the idea of change, to be endorsed by candidate who lost the previous election and who cut his political teeth opposing a war 40 years ago?

[bpeale]

2. i felt exactly the same thing about kerry in 2004 as i do now

he quit on us. he caved in to bush. he refused to allow the votes to be counted. he doesn't stand up for americans when it truly counts.

[Cameron27]

3. It's horrible,

but I was expecting it to bad for Kerry. Wes Clark's been attacked as a sell-out, George McGovern was called senile, if you can believe it, Maya Angelou was accused of lacking vision lol.

I think we have some immature people here.

[politicasista]

6. I also find those attacks sad

especially to ones on Maya Angelou. HRC isn't my first choice, but I can vote for her if she get's the nomination.

[CarolNYC]

30. the attacks

Yeah, politicasista, there were all kinds of attacks on Clark and RFK Jr and Mondale and others who endorsed Clinton. But I felt the worst about the things said about Senator McGovern, who I really do love. He's such a good and decent man, tough yet gentle. He was called senile and mentally unstable because of some kind of personal loss or something like that....and then the wonderful comment "You mean he's still alive?" Nice, huh?

The Kerry attacks are ridiculous but not unexpected....This place really sucks sometimes...more and more these days it seems.

Keep your chin up....And I hope you are well, all things considered. :hi:

[CarolNYC]

31. delete - dupe n/t

[CarolNYC]

32. another delete - n/t

[politicasista]

7. delete..dupe n/t

[redqueen]

12. Maya Angelou?

Who did she endorse, to be accused of that? Jeez!

[politicasista]

13. She endorsed Hillary n/t

[redqueen]

15. I don't see how that's lacking vision.

The first female president? No matter what one thinks of Hillary that would be a huge milestone for this country.

*sigh*

[politicasista]

17. I don't either, which is why that attack doesn't make sense n/t

[redqueen]

18. The VAST majority of attacks in here

don't come anywhere close to making any kind of sense.

[politicasista]

24. True n/t

[ArkySue]

38. don't forget the slams against

RFKjr and Joe Wilson. Paul Krugman was denounced because he criticized Obama's health care plan.

[Bluerthanblue]

4. I agree!

and thank you for saying this so well.

peace~
blu

[politicasista]

5. Thank you

I don't get out much in GD because of the nastiness, but I thought if was something that needed to be said. :hi:

[babylonsister]

8. I've come to the realization there are some people here for the

express purpose of disrupting whatever they can and will most likely be gone when they get bored or shouted down.
But you're spot on, politicasista. The disrespect is mind-boggling. And they call themselves Dems?

[politicasista]

9. Exactly.

Thank you. :hi:

[kimmerspixelated]

10. Agreed, and I believe they are

probably the kind that are really unhappy at home, ya'know?

[politicasista]

11. I was thinking that too n/t

[Snotcicles]

14. Pssst, Don't tell him. nt

[redqueen]

16. The signal to noise ratio is discouraging...

but here and there you can still find some meaningful criticism.

Most of it though... ugh.

[BootinUp]

19. Some folks were very upset when Clark

endorsed HRC.

As to Kerry's endorsement, I don't have a huge problem with it. And I support Clinton. Part of my reasoning is that I don't believe it carries a whole lot of weight 4 years after his defeat.

[Bongo Prophet]

20. Agreed. Thank you politicasista.

:patriot:

[politicasista]

23. You're welcome n/t

[dugggy]

21. Kerry is way too pompous

Gephart or Dean would have been far better choices in 2004.
But we were hypnotized by Kerry's "military experience" which
did'nt help after the swiftboaters came out.

[politicasista]

22. That wasn't the point but thanks anyway n/t

[H2O Man]

26. Gephardt,

who undercut the bipartisan effort to slow the administration's rush to war in Iraq, and did his best to be seen with Bush in the build-up to war. Brilliant.

[dugggy]

35. But look at the latest results in Iraq

Al Qaeda is almost dismantled. I am happy about that.

[H2O Man]

37. There was no

al Qaeda in Iraq before the US invasion.

[dugggy]

40. True, but they all migrated to Iraq

to attack our military and lost big time. Iraq is on the
way to be the first muslim democracy in middle east. If and
when that happens, it will be a cataclysmic event in ME, very
favorable to future peace.

[H2O Man]

41. Oh.

[H2O Man]

25. One of the best

songs that Jimi Hendrix did was "House Burning Down." He wrote it after Martin was killed, and cities across the country were on fire. He said that people should "try to learn instead of burn." And now, 40 years later, I think of that song .... I respect Robert Kennedy, Jr, and Senator John Kerry. They are endorsing different candidates. That doesn't reduce my respect for either. Yet others on DU burn people like Kennedy, Kerry, Joseph Wilson, and each other, for having a different opinion in a democratic primary.

"Try to learn, instead of burn, hear what I say." -- Jimi

[politicasista]

28. Exactly n/t

[returnable]

27. I was disappointed when Clark endorsed Clinton...

...but I just poured myself a drink and got over it.

And it wasn't because I didn't like who he endorsed, it was because I was hoping he'd just stay above the fray. I still think he has a lot of valuable things to say about foreign policy, and knew his voice would get lost (or, worse, compromised) once it got associated with one candidate or another.

So while I can understand why some folks Kerry hadn't interjected himself into the primary wars, I just say, pour yerself a drink and get over it.

:kick:

[politicasista]

29. Good post n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

33. I agree with you

it also makes it awfully hard to go back to being one big happy family come time for the general.

Can't we keep our disagreements civil and respectful?

[Adelante]

34. Excellent post, politicasista

Thank you :hug:

[FrenchieCat]

36. It is Petty and disgusting....

and I have never really cared much who endorsed whom.

But it appears that Obama can't get endorsement and they survive.

Ophrah is the devil, and Kerry is the boogeyman.

It is sad. :(

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

42. and juvenile

to say the very least.

[MagickMuffin]

39. Great Post Great Points, politicasista

I have seen so much disrespect for our candidates, our elected officials, and each other. Reading threads to find out why someone might be supporting their candidate, instead I see a lot of personal attacks. For what purpose? To make themselves look superior?

I often leave here wondering if we ever learned how to respect one another. Or even if we know how to be civil.

What has happened in this country that there is always so much hostility? Especially here. I know there will always be disruptors here to disrupt the discourse, but we usually weed them out.

But the hatred has peaked to new heights I never thought progressives or liberals could be this vicious to our party and other DUers.

I don't have a college education, but that doesn't make my opinions any less valid then someone who is fortunate enough to have a college education. We've seen that not all degreed people are any more educated than the rest of us. Hint Mad king Boy George.

But what I lack in a college education I more than make up with common sense. I was taught to respect my elders and with that little bit of advice, I learned to expand it to everyone. Why not, it doesn't cost anything to be polite and respectful.

I think who we consider as our personal candidate should inspire debate to promote their candidate with the reason why they think their candidate is the best for the job. That's one of the reasons to have a discussion board debating the issues.

Isn't it time we show why we support our candidates, and not be attacked for it?

I will always RESPECT............ John Kerry, Al Gore, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and others that I won't list here.

We should ask ourselves why we belong to this party. If it isn't to your liking then you should work to bring about the change that is necessary to make it the BEST PARTY EVER.:party:



GO DEMOCRATS 08