This is why Kerry didn't endorse Edwards:

[MethuenProgressive]

From Time Magazine:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1626498-2,00.html

Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him that he'd never told anyone else—that after his son Wade had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service. Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before—and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again. When they did, Kerry tried to get a better personal feel for his potential number two; as rivals for national office since 2000, shortly after Edwards had entered the Senate, the two men hadn't spent a lot of time together. Kerry also wanted a specific reassurance. He asked Edwards for a commitment that if he was chosen and the ticket lost, Edwards wouldn't run against him in 2008. Edwards agreed "absolutely," as Kerry recalled him saying.

[OHdem10]

1. This is their business.

[Bitwit1234]

22. He was jealous that Edwards was ten times more popular

Our county ASKED for Edwards instead of Kerry...and we werent' the only one.

[AndyA]

2. And what does this have to do with the price of tuna in Brazil?

This tells me nothing, proves nothing.

:shrug:

[MethuenProgressive]

9. What does Kerry's knowledge of Edwards being a ghoulish liar have to do with the Obama endorsement?

Gee, I dunno.

[AndyA]

15. Ghoulish liar?

You've obviously never lost a child. It is the most horrifying experience a parent can go through.

Speaking of liars:

John Kerry:

"My friends, the harsh fact now is that in the last election more than one million African-Americans were disenfranchised in one of the most tainted elections in history. We can do better - and we have to. We have to see to it in November that every vote counts - and every vote is counted."

How's that for a big fat lie?

[MethuenProgressive]

19. "Obviously"? You know so little, yet talk so much.

To use a crafted story of your child's death as part of self serving sales pitch is disgusting.

Some of us understand that more than others.

edit added two letters

[AndyA]

20. How would you know what I know?

And I guess we're just going to take John Kerry's word for it that the story he related is true?

He's already proven that he says one thing and does another. That doesn't give me a lot of confidence in the man.

Some of you think you understand more than others.

[chimpymustgo]

31. What's ghoulish is a Democratic presidential candidate PLANNING on LOSING and extracting

promises beforehand based on it.

That motherf*cker! This makes my head explode. He's making Edwards promise not to run against him if they lose??????? Jeeeeeeeeeeeeezussssssss!!

John Kerry, you disgust me.

[murbley40]

3. that 's right I remember now!

[saracat]

4. You have the nerve to quote BOB Shrum on anything? Riiight.

That is just sick and vicious.

[LeFleur1]

5. Kerry

I really don't care who Kerry endorses, or why. He wasn't my first choice for President in 2004. I did campaign for him because I really believed, and still do, that a monkey would be better than GW.
His endorsement is immaterial to me.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. John Edwards hired him. As did Ted Kennedy and Al Gore, and many other top Democrats.

Yup, I have 'the nerve'.

[terisan]

..and by his own admission he always works for losing candidates on the national level.

Too parochial and a tattler. he is poison.

[MethuenProgressive]

10. He helped get Edwards elected.

You could call that backing a loser...

[redqueen]

7. That's why YOU think he didn't...

only Kerry really knows why.

But nice job making trying to make hay out of the "incident" just the same by posting this in its own thread. /sarcasm

[MzNov]

8. And all of us 04 Kerry supporters saw what his decisions cost us.

Ted Kennedy's endorsement will mean more, if anything at all.

[MethuenProgressive]

14. Yup, Kerry's decision to pick Edwards cost us dearly.

Kerry/Clark would've won in a walk. We needed a Wes Clark, and all we had was a John Edwards.

[MzNov]

16. No, a stolen election and Kerry's refusal to fight cost us dearly.

Kerry won the election. It wouldn't have mattered if Clark were the VP candidate.

[HardWorkingDem]

17. Oh, right......

Kerry lost because of Kerry. Whether one likes them or not, he learned nothing from the experience of Dukakis' lack rapid response and the Clinton's superb use of it.

Edwards had nothing to do with the Swiftboaters or the idiotic 87 billion comment or the moronic photos of him wind surfing. Kerry was arrogant, standoffish and has no one to blame but himself.

[jgraz]

32. You continue to top yourself in ridiculousness

It's impressive, really, considering the high bar you've already set.

[zulchzulu]

11. That was an unfortunate story

I don't think that's why Kerry went with Obama. Perhaps he just preferred Obama? Could that be the case?

Trashing Edwards on Kerry's endorsement as well as trashing Kerry AT ALL is pretty classless in my view.

[mzmolly]

38. Agreed.

I support Edwards, and I support Kerry's choice to endorse who he chooses.

[Cleita]

12. What this says to me about Kerry is that Edwards told

him something in confidence and Kerry (if this is true) is telling everyone about it. Telling Kerry about this twice doesn't mean he told it to anyone else outside his immediate family circle except Kerry. I suspect the problem is different, that he and Edwards had some fundamental ideological differences on the campaign that soured them on each other. If Kerry really did tell someone else about this confidence, it tells me that Kerry is somewhat of a gossip. But I don't believe this is true. Someone really has to ask Kerry about this before they spread rumors in his name.

[Cameron27]

25. This came from Bob Shrum's book

take that FWIW.

[terisan]

13. Spam post nt

[fob]

18. Your conclusion is not supported by your story

He asked Edwards for a commitment that if he was chosen and the ticket lost, Edwards wouldn't run against him in 2008. Edwards agreed "absolutely," as Kerry recalled him saying.




Last I saw Kerry is not running in 2008 so Edwards is NOT running AGAINST HIM.

[stray cat]

21. Kerry isn't running in 2008 anyway

[MethuenProgressive]

24. I see the last three posters are ignoring the first part of that Time Magazine quote

What ever makes you feel better.

[creeksneakers2]

36. Kerry started out running

He didn't get any support and quit early on.

[THUNDER HANDS]

23. I remember that story

That was really icky.

Edwards has a habit of saying the same thing, almost verbatum, at campaign events. Hell, he gave the exact same concession speech in New Hamshire that he did in Iowa.

[durrrty libby]

26. Wow if true, JE is truly despicable

[yodermon]

30. No. If true, JK is truly despicable for revealing such personal details

told in confidence, to a journalist.

[Hobarticus]

34. I second that...eom

[Mark Twain Girl]

35. I third it. nt

[BenDavid]

27. Ever since the election of 04 there has been a deep rooted

dislike by both of the other. I do recall edwards wanted kerry to go after the swift boat folks and be more agressive, but kerry decided against that move. Edwards was right as the entire base of dems were telling kerry to go after them and fight them you silly sob....

But on election night we could have stopped watching damn early if someone did not appear with kerry and help him defeat bush in one of the northeast states. Kerry at one point in Sept and early october was trailing bush in the great state of Pa.. Kerry haad to decide on who to call for help. Now did kerry think, maybe i should call obama because he gave one hell of a speech at the convention. No, cause no one knew him and most likely would be of no help. So kerry thought long and hard and then on the 25th of October in Philadelphia Pa. kerry came onto the stage arm in arm with former president Bill Clinton....I know the folks knew before hand that clinton was there to support kerry and over 50, 000 turned out for this appearance. This was Clintons first public appearance since heart surgery and even though the speech was short, according to clintons standards clinton said enough in those few minutes that must have engergized the crowd and the undecided voters as kerry went on a week later and beat bush.....

I am not saying he should have endorsed hrc but when he needed the help a clinton stepped forward.....

[Yuugal]

28. thats low nt

[jgraz]

29. I hear he also told it to Hillary right after she finished killing Vince Foster.

:eyes:

You should re-title this thread: "Dumbshits who believe anything you're told -- check in here!"

[Tektonik]

33. Kerry is just bitter that the Edwards camp was right about the debacle of the '04 election

Kerry should have stood up for himself more stalwartly against the attack ads. Instead he cowered.

Kerry secretly and shyly dealt with the matter of election fraud. This contrasted Edwards' pledge to have every vote counted.

Kerry is a good senator and would have been a good president if he was not such a slouch of a campaigner.

[Laelth]

37. That's very interesting.

I had not read that article before. Sounds genuine. Passes the smell test, for me, anyway.

:dem:

I'm still supporting Edwards. Nobody's perfect. Of the imperfect and electable choices, John Edwards is still the best.

-Laelth

[LWolf]

39. Edwards didn't run against Kerry for 2008. n/t