Hillary shed her alligator tears in order to inoculate herself against going negative....

[Joe the Revelator]

I mean, look at what's happened in the twelve hours since her crying jag-

She's released a "He's going to tax your guts out" mailer full of lies.

She's started the "Vote for me or we'll all die in a terrorist bomb" stage of her campaign

and she's trotted Bill out to start whining about the media and Obama.


I can't believe some of you are falling for it.

[maddiejoan]

1. Recall when I said all you do is whine

about Hillary.

your OP is a good example.


Crying jag?? She simply got choked up while speaking her usual campaign material.

Her mailer was simply a comparison of her social security plans versus Obama's.

As far as Bill goes --the other candidates don't have their spouses on the campaign trail?

[Joe the Revelator]

2. I see you've conveniently chosen not to address....

the Bush-era politics of fear portion of my post.

And this isn't whining, constantly bitching and moaning about unfair media attention, or unfair posts about certain candidates is "whining". This is calling it as it is.

[maddiejoan]

5. I ignored it

Because it's stupid.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. How is it stupid? Did you support Bush when he made those same sound bytes in 04

In order to scare him up a victory?

[maddiejoan]

9. It's stupid to equate

mere mention of the reality that Al-Qaida exists and that we need a President who is ready for whatever might happen with the endless fear tactics of Bush.


Or are you saying there are no terrorists anywhere?

[Joe the Revelator]

11. It's the exact same type of rhetoric that Bush used on 04

You didn't answer the question, did you support that tactic then?

[maddiejoan]

13. I don't see it as the same

Shall we all just ignore the problem because Bush used it as a bludgeon?

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Of course not, but during the course of the campaign...

one should not make it seem like a vote against them is a vote for a terrorist attack. That's what i'm talking about.

[maddiejoan]

19. I think she's honestly worried

that the others can't do the job.

I'm not saying she's right --I think the others could do the job fine --but from HER perspective --she's seen what the job of the Presidency can do to someone.

She has a vantage point of the job of the Presidency (I didn't say experience) that no other candidate has.
She's not measuring herself against the other candidates --she's most likely measuring Bill against them and thinking she's the one who can equal his performance.
In fact --she probably thinks it's the only way to save the country.

Again --I'm not saying this is true --I'm trying to look through her eyes.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. So, in '04 Bush used the same rhetoric because he knew how tough it was to be President

I know thats a frustrating reply to your post. It's not really meant to be though. I'm just trying to point out the double standard here. If you rationlize it for one, you kind of have to rationlize it for the other.

[maddiejoan]

27. Please

Bush used it to prop up his Presidency right after 9-11 and didn't stop.

If Hillary becomes a non-stop 911 machine then I'll worry.

[Joe the Revelator]

28. Using it once out of desperation is enough for most people

[maddiejoan]

29. There you go again

why stick with facts when you can pull a word like desperation out of your fanny?

[Joe the Revelator]

30. You don't think things are getting desperate for Hillary?

Have you seen the polls everywhere? She has to stop the bleeding somehow.

[maddiejoan]

31. Look

we're never going to agree.

I can see why you've connected certain dots. I get your reasoning.

I just don't think you offer anything more than opinion.

which is fine, but I also have my opinion.

[gdaerin]

33. Really strong argument, are you in college?

[eileen_d]

3. "Crying jag"?

:rofl:

[Joe the Revelator]

4. The other, dare I say genius, of this staged event...

Is that nobody can call her on it , god love Edwards for trying, without be labeled as cold and callous by the naive who think that it was a sincere moment.

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. You should move to France

(I never thought I would get a leftist opportunity to use that line, lol). There the legal system is guilty until proven innoncent. And when it comes to Hillary Clinton, that is your fixed world view.

[ursi]

6. I heard John Edwards speak at a rally and he said it was"personal" for him too

but he didn't cry or get emotional. maybe he needs to try that out?

[maddiejoan]

12. his eyes always water a bit when he mentions this

it's rather endearing

[Hieronymus]

34. Maybe that's where Hillary picked up "personal".

[K Gardner]

8. Look at what else this has managed to do.. otherwise rational Obama supporters

are going beserk attacking Edwards because of some imagined slight to "poor Hillary". If HRCs strategy was to kick the circular firing squad into high gear, she and Mark Penn have just suceeded. Allow me to say, without shame, I have not one shred of sympathy for her. In the end, she will be the one left standing if this keeps up. Unbelievable.

[Joe the Revelator]

10. It won't matter. Its not enough to give her a 10 point bump tomorrow

And after Obama wins, the narrative switches back to him, plus she won't be able to turn on the waterworks again. It's just frustrating to see people falling for such obvious bullshit.

[corkhead]

15. we need a new emoticon

:highfive:

[K Gardner]

17. Try this: ^5

[sandnsea]

23. Wants to make sure no one has false hope

couldn't have that.

She has honestly proven to be more cynically calculating than I ever imagined. I wish I could find the article where her and Russ Feingold get into a shouting match over the campaign finance bill and she tells him to grow up. I think that's why he didn't run. Nobody wants to go up against her and that should tell people a lot.

[Cha]

16. I believe it cause they

just don't care what the fuck she does.

[cali]

18. that's called speculation

and it's idiotic. I heard her. She was genuine. Yeah, I hate the terror card thing, but I despise your posts about Clinton. Always have. There's a real ugliness to them.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. I have an important question for you-

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are known to do whatever it takes to win. You have a wannabe, but smart, adviser on DU say that he thought she should do this VERY thing. Are you trying to tell me that some dude on DU can think of something that the Clinton machine cannot? You don't think this has worked out in her favor throughout the day? You don't see her milking this every chance she can, from Fox News to Diane Sawyer? What part of this entire exchange makes you think that his was genuine?

I'm asking you, because, as much as you think my posts on Hillary are ugly, I think your posts on a lot of campaign issues are naive. Nothing wrong with that, because 80% of the country is the same way. I wanna get a look inside their head.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. Clinton-haters are good at what they do.

They've got lots of experience.

[sellitman]

24. This attack is retarded

Hold her feet to the fire over her war stances but this is just dumb.

[robbedvoter]

26. Pathetic. I wish I could give thumbs down.

[femrap]

32. No wonder intelligent people

are taking a vacation from DU and DailyKos....they don't want to listen to RedState types like you. You sound just like W.

You political naivety is overwhelming and a detriment to our nation. But as the saying goes: "There's no law against being stupid."

Ignored...buh bye.