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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:41 PM
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I don't see ANYTHING wrong with a "leader" crying
Cry over our lost dignity as a nation.
Cry over the thousands of lives lost from this war.
Cry over the thousands of lives maimed from this war.
Cry over what we have done to the American soul.
Cry over what we have done to our Iraqi brothers and sisters.

But don't cry over a losing campaign.
Give me a break!
If you haven't shed tears over any of the above, I almost would have to wonder if you were narcissistic.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:43 PM
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1. somebody (molly ivins??) once said, the whole world needs to sit down and have a good cryl.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:43 PM
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2.  poll tested and consultant approved
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:44 PM
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3. I don't fault her for crying either ... hey the campaign trail is tough!
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 04:49 PM by Seabiscuit
Look its been difficult for Hillary's campaign from the start in many ways and for many reasons, but I don't think its productive for the media to make a big issue of her crying. I think its cruel.

On the other hand, I was just thinking what have we become when we ridicule our fellow human beings for having a tear or two. Remember Bush crying ever???
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:45 PM
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6. if they're going to slam her for crying, they should go after George W. Bush as well
He tears up even for trivial stuff, like when he gets a new cowboy hat as a gift.

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:52 PM
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10. LOL ... or new cowboy boots! nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:48 PM
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8. I've never seen her shed tears when voting to send our young men and women to their deaths
in an illegal war.
Crying doesn't bother me.
The REASON people cry does.
I am quite certain that the campaign trail isn't any tougher than the job she is seeking. Our country is in a mess. I guess the question really is, is she up for the challenge of fixing this country?
But I think all in all, it was staged to show people she is human because she got a pretty good response to her one-liner "My feelings are hurt" in the debate. This is just trying to expound on that.
There really isn't much of her campaign that isn't scripted, and I am not going to pretend that this wasn't scripted as well.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:55 PM
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15. Agreed ...
Definitely our politicians should be crying their asses off for sending our innocent kids to their deaths in Iraq. I have my doubts whether this particular time was scripted, it was so out of character for her.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:44 PM
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4. Add crying for someone else's pain
Not just from because of war; there's lots of reasons to cry for others' losses and pain.

Crying out of self-pity, not so much.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:45 PM
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5. Read
Source: Associated Press

Emotional Clinton Says, This Is Personal
2008-01-07 14:35:46
By PHILIP ELLIOTT Associated Press Writer

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton's eyes welled up and her voice broke repeatedly Monday as she talked with voters in a restaurant about her campaign for the presidency. The former first lady was making a last-minute pitch for support as she spoke on the eve of the state's primary, with polls showing her trailing Democratic rival Barack Obama.

Asked by a sympathetic voter how she keeps going in the grueling campaign, she replied, "It's not easy. It's not easy." "And I couldn't do it if I just didn't, you know, passionately believe it was the right thing to do," she said, her voice catching. "You know, I've had so many opportunities from this country, I just don't want to see us fall backwards," she said, her voice trailing off. The voters crowded into the restaurant applauded encouragingly.

"So," she continued, then paused, seemingly to control her voice as her listeners applauded again. "You know, this is very personal for me. It's not just political. It's not just public. I see what's happening, and we have to reverse it. And some people think elections are a game. They think it's like who's up or who's down. It's about our country. It's about our kids' futures. It's really about all of us together. You know some of us put ourselves out there and do this against some pretty difficult odds. And we do it, each one of us, because we care about our country. But some of us are right and some of us are wrong. Some of us are ready and some of us are not."

- snip -

After she spoke several of the people in the Cafe Espresso audience crowded around Clinton and offered sympathetic support.

Read more: http://myembarq.com/news/news_reader.php?storyid=157163...

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:54 PM
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12. Even in her moment of verklempt--she was able to get digs in
"But some of us are right and some of us are wrong. Some of us are ready and some of us are not."

Very contrived.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:05 PM
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21. contrived nothing
she's been giving the same stump speech over and over for months.


I'd be shocked if all the candidates didn't mumble their stumps in their sleep at this point.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 09:34 PM
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31. That's hillary...all verkempt
and calculating.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:46 PM
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7. I was coming in to refute your post with "but not about a primary"
yes -- the war, lost lives, etc....

I see I misjudged where you were going.

:hi:
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:51 PM
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9. Exhausted....plain and simple
And I agree........cry over the thousands of deaths.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:54 PM
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11. Whoever votes for the patriot act, IWR, and other crap without batting an eye...
but suddenly tears up because it looks like Obama will cause the country to slip backwards has fucking issues.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:57 PM
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17. And that issue would be narcissism. n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:55 PM
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13. I see something wrong when a leader cries pretending to care about such things.
Edited on Mon Jan-07-08 04:55 PM by Bornaginhooligan
Bush pulls the same bullshit.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:55 PM
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14. I'm sure Mark Penn's polling told him a majority of Democrats agree

:cry:
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:56 PM
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16. Give her a break
nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 04:58 PM
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18. Why? If Edwards welled up because he was in 3rd place
What exactly would happen?
Why do you give her a break simply because she is a woman? I AM a woman and it offends me. She made herself--and every woman--look weak today.
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Uncle Sinister Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:04 PM
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20. No she didn't
any more than DEan made "every man" look foolish with the "howl" She's human, she's beat, she bobbled. BFD
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:02 PM
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19. If you had been flamed, swiftboated lied about slandered on TV
constantly and all day long. Newspapers, magazines and all of it a bunch of shit what the hell would you do. I think she has held up very well from all the crap thrown at her.

I would love to see Obama and Edwards both have half the shit thrown at them for about three weeks they would be running to a psychiatric office.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:18 PM
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25. Nice thing to wish on other Democrats
By the way HRC was NOT swiftboated. But, maybe we should push back when any Democrat was lied about or treated unfairly. The entire Democratic party defended the Clintons continuously for 8 years - even when in some cases it was wrong to defend the indefensible. I didn't see her run to defend other Democrats who were attacked.

What HRC is reacting to is that her dreams of an easy win of the nomination are gone - though she can still win. What lies and smears was she responding to this week? I didn't see any. This is a non-story - HRC is likely beyond exhausted and under great stress. Just as any politician is who loses a race they thought they could win. Her reactions are completely normal and many of us, not for her may feel sorry for her.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:05 PM
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22. Damn I wish the press had balls
I wish they would post all the shit about Obama that we have found out from just the internet and see how long the jumping macho man would last. Not very damn long.

Suppose he had to explain how someone said he was broke one year and bought a 1.5 million dollar home the next. Suppose he had to explain about wanting to bomb Iran. Those are just two real truths.

Here we had Hillary bombarded with being a lesbian. Being a man chaser killing cats, sending out too many Christmas Cards. What in the hell do you think macho man would do then.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:07 PM
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23. DId you read OBama's book, Audacity to Hope? If not,
then you have no clue that this book was a best seller, and is how he became a millionaire.

I have a copy that's autographed. I can send it you. Maybe it will make you a millionaire too, if you hang on to it long enough.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:20 PM
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27. Not to mention that Michelle Obama had a very high paying job
I also have a signed copy of the paperback because my college age daughter got 2 when it came out and he was signing in NYC.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 05:10 PM
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24. Hey, I cried when I stubbed my toe once. Poor toe!
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:19 PM
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26. Crying is a healthy human emotion - there is nothing wrong with it n/t
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:26 PM
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28. "This is personal."
Yes, Ms. Clinton, and that is precisely the problem.

It's about your ego investment. It's about how much you yearn to be president. But it has little or nothing to do with the people you would represent.

Obama and Edwards are your worst nightmare because they offer more than you do. They have vision, a desire to lead people to a better place. Their egos may be every bit as big as yours, but they have a reason for making their run at the job, and it's not just because they want to have it.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 07:05 PM
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30. Well said.
I wish I could express those same thoughts as clearly and as nicely.
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Byronic Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-07-08 06:44 PM
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29. You know one of the biggest blubbers in history?
Winston Churchill.

He was always in tears.

He would weep while watching a sentimental movie.

He would weep while listening to a particularly moving speech.

He would weep when seeing Londoner's queue for bird-seed during World War II.

He would weep at the drop of a hat.

So any tough guy Republicans who try to make a 'Muskie moment' out of this should think about it.

If one of the great war leaders of all time can weep, so can anybody.

Oh, and Ed Muskie was screwed over too.
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