Lots of cheers about Obama's win

[Fresh_Start]

because he's the first minority with a chance at the White House.

Doesn't it bother anyone that the majority doesn't have a chance at the White House?
Which majority? The female majority.

I've never heard a black man say that he doesn't believe 'black man' are capable of being President.
But women frequently say the a woman isn't right for the job (not just HRC but the concept of a woman).

Women are oppressed in virtually every society on this planet. They are beaten, raped, sold, and even stoned to death because they are not staying in their correct space and properly subservient to their male masters.

So if a black male (8% of US population) wins the White House.... Big surprise (NOT!!!).
But if a female (51% of the US population) wins the White House....that would be an advance for the human race.

[ananda]

1. Imnsvho..

Martin Luther King would be turning in his grave
to know that a man would have to turn so far
right to get elected.

[jakem]

3. right?

Obama has a 95 percent liberal rating from Americans for Democratic Reform, a liberal advocacy group that ranks all members of Congress

[NYCGirl]

2. As a woman, I say that's utterly ridiculous. NT

[Fresh_Start]

12. based on what.....

apparently statistics and facts are not a big part of your argument.

[elixir]

15. OMG, that's pure cheesecake. I'd be embarrassed to post that photo.

[NYCGirl]

21. Time Magazine didn't have a problem with it. That's where it's from.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/time100/article/0,28804,1595326_1615513_1615496,00.html

[Renew Deal]

4. I get your point, but it's poorly thought out.

Was Carol Mosely Braun the best candidate in 2004? No. It would have been a tremendous step forward to elect her, but she wasn't qualified. People like Obama because he's inspirational, and is good on the issues. The plurality in Iowa thought he was the better candidate.

[Fresh_Start]

5. Black men have opportunities

http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/Pages/ListSadec.aspx

But how many of the 200+ countries of the world have a female leader.
Sexism is so pervasive and accepted that most people never question it.

Under your argument, Bush was the better candidate in 2000 and 2004. So why aren't you thrilled with Bush? After all the voters selected the better candidate?

[Renew Deal]

6. Actually, people voted for the better person in 2000.

And people voted for Bush in 2004. I didn't agree, but that's meaningless. If Hillary had something to offer other than "fear of false hope", she might be doing better.

[Fresh_Start]

7. I'm not talking about HRC

I'm talking about men and women being against female leaders.
With females the majority around the globe....we have had a handful of female leaders (and the number is even smaller if you exclude those who were leaders because of birthright).

[Renew Deal]

8. I'm saying they're not against female leaders.

There's many elected female leaders. The best way to beat an ornery male leader is with a female leader. Female's instantly get a boost in their vote. Women vote for other women and they are generally more likable against tough guy types.

Check this out:

How many women Members are there in the U.S. Congress today?
In the House there are 74 female Representatives. The Senate has 16 females. These are the highest numbers of women Members in the history of the Congress.

Of the 16 female Senators, 11 are Democrats and 5 are Republicans. Of the 74 female Representatives, 53 are Democrats and 21 are Republicans.

Two of the women House members are sisters: Loretta Sanchez and Linda Sanchez, both Democrats from California.

The first woman elected to serve in Congress was Representative Jeannette Rankin, a Republican from Montana. She served from 1917 to 1919 and again from 1941 to 1943. Since then, 193 women have been elected to serve in Congress.

To see a list of all the names of the women who have served as Members of Congress, their biographies, links to the websites of current female Members, and a brief history of women serving in Congress, visit: http://bioguide.congress.gov/congresswomen/index.asp

http://www.centeroncongress.org/learn_about/feature/qa_members.html#women

[Fresh_Start]

19. And the numbers show that women are underrepresented

maybe itss marginally better now....

But Congress is NOT the leader of the country. The Presidency leads the country....and we're 0/43 in the female representation there.

[Renew Deal]

23. Which femal that ran in the past deserved to win?

Or was qualified to win? That's kind of my point. Hillary is by far the strongest we've had, and she's not that great.

[Fresh_Start]

24. Which black male that ran in the past deserved to win?

since people are saying its about time re Obama?

[Renew Deal]

29. I never said it's about time.

I asked you first. :)

I think Obama is the best in my lifetime.

[chascarrillo]

9. WTF???

What exactly is the purpose of posting that link?

[Fresh_Start]

10. its obvious

in countries were there are black majorities, black men get the leadership roles disproportionately.

Did you see a female leader in any of those pictures? No, sexism is far more pervasive than other forms of bigotry.

[Sulawesi]

11. Your post assumes HRC does not have a chance because she is a woman. She is not a great candidate,

regardless of gender.

[Fresh_Start]

13. I'm not talking about HRC

I'm responding to the YAY, a 'black man' has a chance at the white house threads...our society is not as bigotted as its portrayed to be.

Our society meaning not only the USA but the entire globe is more bigoted than we admit. Sexism is global.
In virtually every society on the planet the women are the dogs....even if they are the majority race/religion.

[Sulawesi]

30. If HRC was on a roll, I might be saying YAY a chance for a woman president...both serve diversity

[Arugula Latte]

14. I'd love a woman prez. I do not want Hillary.

I'm able to differentiate between the individual and the group. (BTW, I'm female.)

on edit, I kinda agree with you about the hurdle women have worldwide. I will find it thrilling if a black man becomes president. If Hillary were to somehow make it to prez, I would be sort of thrilled, as a woman, but it would be tempered by my dislike for her.

I dunno, it's complicated, I guess.

[Fresh_Start]

16. Did I focus on HRC in my post?

I'm reacting the the cheers about our society is not so bigotted as to exclude a black man from the white house.
And I look at the entire globe and see that sexism excludes women from opportunity and leadership everywhere.
I'm not ready to say our society is healed until there is equal representation for every group.

[Arugula Latte]

17. Right. I reread it and edited my reply.

Posted in haste, sorry.

:hi:

I basically agree with you.

[Fresh_Start]

18. Maybe I should be thankful that men have more,easier opportunities

since I have two sons and only one daughter....

But I know that my daughter's life will always be subject to male domination...in the workplace, society, political environment and more than likely in her personal life.

[Arugula Latte]

20. I have one of each.

My daughter is so damn feisty! I hope that will serve her well in the future. I don't think she'll ever let a man walk over her. If anything, she'll be doing the walking, probably with some kick-ass Nancy Sinatra boots. ;)

[Fresh_Start]

22. My daughter is feisty, too.

But that doesn't change much.
I'm not talking about men walking over her.
I'm talking about 'people who have power over her life' are predominantly male.
Starting with employer, including representatives, and not forgetting that the CEO's of companies which control her health care and purchases are by a huge majority MALE with male viewpoints.
Her sons toys had lead from China thanks to male decision making.
Her sons school is underfunded thanks to male decision making.
Her clothing is more expensive than her spouses thanks to male decision making.

And her being feisty has little input to change any of it.

[Arugula Latte]

25. What you say is true.

And depressing. :(

[Fresh_Start]

27. yea NT

NT

[ElizabethDC]

26. Yes, a lot of what you say is true

I think part of the problem is that women underestimate themselves and each other - that's why groups such as EMILY's List were founded, to encourage women to run for office, etc.

And, on some level, I think I have trouble getting excited about a minority making it to the White House, because it's still sad to me that the female majority lags behind. I wouldn't say that's what motivates my choices in this campaign, but it is an underlying issue that I think weighs on my subconsciously.

Thanks for bringing this up, NYCALIZ, it's interesting to think about - it's certainly made me examine my own feelings.

[Fresh_Start]

28. I don't know if its underestimation

I think its because the entire framework of our thinking has been shaped by sexism.

You ask kids today what they want to be when they grow up.
At least five times as many girls will say a Mommy than boys will say a Daddy.
And a girl saying President is still few and far between.