"Ah ..... fuck 'em" is not a good answer to this one .......

[Stinky The Clown]

.... but flame away if you feel the need. I'm dressed for it.



Ever since Clinton got into the race, I have heard over and over from people who would vote for any other democrat that they would not vote for her.

Have you heard this too?

No doubt this is the result of way too much right wing spew against her and The Big Dawg. But no matter the reason, the phenomenon is there. I think its serious and ignoring it doesn't change it.

I've heard the theory that all her negatives are well known and that there's nothing that can be thrown her way that hasn't already been thrown. In other words, even though she has (relatively) high negatives, they are easy enough to overcome.

That may be true.

Or not.

No, I'm not a concern troll. In fact, just the last day or so, I was called out for being a Hillary cheerleader. This question is an honest one, whether that suits you or not.

[Catch22Dem]

1. I think a lot of them are all talk

Those who aren't shouldn't be here once the nominee is decided. I won't sit by and let DU become a site where we have to defend our nominee against our own members.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. Actually, I was referring to people I meet in day to day life.

Not people who, to my knowledge, post to places like DU or even follow politics very closely.

I'm in a fairly liberal location. Even our republicans tend to be pretty liberal, overall. I'm even talking about poeple who voted for the likes of Elijiah Cummings and Kweisi Mfume, Ben Cardin and Barbara Mikulski and Paul Sarbanes.

[Catch22Dem]

12. Oops, sorry.

I think people who aren't following all that closely will likely vote for their party's nominee.

[bluerum]

3. I would vote for any of the dem candidates over any of the repubercons.

But I am pulling for Edwards and as it stands now, he will get my vote in the primary.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. So would I

And I actually expect most of the people who post here would do the same.

My comments are aimed at the 'less involved'.

[Blue-Jay]

4. fuck 'em

[Stinky The Clown]

7. I said that wasn't a good answer

To be sure, it is the answer I've been telling myself for a while, but I have come to believe the issue is more serious and deserving of more than a dismissive 'fuck 'em'.

[Blue-Jay]

8. That's the only answer. Fuck 'Em.

99% of the threads here don't deserve any other type of consideration.

[Stinky The Clown]

9. Ooooooohhh

Its about the thread ...... I see. Not the point.

Thanks for your opinion and thanks for playing the game.

[Blue-Jay]

10. Thanks for being so concerned.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. You're very welcome

My pleasure

[MH1]

5. I haven't heard that from people I talk to face-to-face

What I have heard, though, is that they would be very disappointed if Hillary were the nominee, and they would find it hard to be motivated to campaign for her.

In my case and some of my friends, it is not a result of "right wing spew" but the glimpse we got of her character when she backstabbed John Kerry just before the 2006 elections. Don't discount that as a "grudge" over something "trivial" - when she did that it was like the scales had been removed from my eyes, and I could see what kind of person she is. The meanness she has shown on the campaign trail is just reinforcing my opinion. But all that said, I would certainly vote for her over a republican, and I have heard no Democrat say otherwise.

[Nailzberg]

13. My problem with her negatives isn't the election, it's afterward.

I have no doubt she can garner enough votes despite her negatives to win the election. However, I think there are many red areas where Democrats have made inroads in the last four years. And Clinton, by no fault of her own, brings out the deepest gut hatred in Republicans. Why? Who knows? Perhaps just too many battles and bad feelings. But they hate her, and I think we get President Hillary, and a GOP congress. What good is her health plan if it doesn't have to votes?

I don't see that downside from Edwards or Obama. With them we get a reset on the Not the way my republican friends talk. They don't like everything about Edwards or Obama, but they sure don't hate 'em.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. "And Clinton, by no fault of her own, brings out the deepest gut hatred in Republicans."

Yeah! That's what I'm getting at. Well said!! Well said, indeed.

Through no fault of her own.

This goes back to the Arkansas Project .... and before. The Big Dawg just brings out irrational hatred from some right wingers and from the uninformed who listen to Gasbag Radio.

Hillary is the beneficiary of that. And with her it went into overdrive with the health care thing in Dawg's first term.

[Yuugal]

15. "No doubt this is the result of way too much right wing spew"

I'm not voting for the DLC anymore. Get over it. Many of us are old enough to have fallen for the Clinton's lies before and we got the cruelest thing ever done to the truly poor, "welfare reform". We also got NAFTA which was the cruelest thing ever done to the middle class. Right wing spew loves free trade and hating on poor people, so its not that. Hillary will never understand struggling working class/poor people. If she did she would be apologizing for her war votes and corporate ass-kissing.

All it takes for a limousine HIllary liberal to become a struggling Edwards progressive is to have their job outsourced and not be able to find another one. As you run through your life savings to put food on the table, exhaust your retirement money paying doctors in cash, and give up on any hope for helping your kids with college.......you stop believing the DLC bs about how working with business is a great thing for everyone. Its only great while you can still afford to look the other way and the 10's of millions of suffering people are irrelevant because you aren't one of them.

Many white collar folks are finding this out and it serves them right. It was all well and good to send my job overseas because I can just "retrain" for that great job in the "service" economy. Well now its their day in the barrel and they are finding out the same thing the working class found out 10 yrs ago: if you ship jobs away, you destroy America, and noone needs an overpaid white shirt in the US if the blue and green shirted jobs are all in a factory in another country. The suits at the top of this food chain are next: why have the board of directors and corporate planners here when the whole operation is abroad?

In the middle of this disaster we have Hillary, STILL shilling for more H1-b visas so every single job not already outsourced can be given away with "insourcing". So even if I hock my soul and somehow get my kids through college, people like Hillary will still give the few remaining jobs to foreigners, as if they haven't had enough of American jobs already.

This working class person has had enough. If we can't get out from under the DLC's poisonous spell and we end up nominating another corporocrat, I'm voting 3rd party, staying home, or god forbid, voting Huckleberry. I've voted Dem for my whole life and at 42 have never even had a progressive to vote for. I need my family to be able to get jobs. Hillary has shown me nothing this election cycle except that she still thinks my kids should be happy with a Burger World job while her elitist family gets to sip champagne and pretend they know we even exist.

Hillary, Al From, and everyone like them can go scratch. Keep calling people like me deluded, then get to a mirror.