Obama: "religious traditions" behind opposition to gay marriage.

[IndianaJones]

McClurkin explained.

[Hekate]

1. Context? No?

Then it's just more flamebait.

[IndianaJones]

6. context: explaining his position on gay marriage. nt.

[Nailzberg]

11. Indianajones doesn't know what context means.

[ruggerson]

34. Here's the context: Obama on marriage equality

http://pilgrimsole.blogspot.com/2007/12/god-is-still-speaking.html

"I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

Since Obama belongs to a church that officially recognizes and endorses marriage equality for gays and lesbians, one can make a reasoned claim that Obama stakes a position on this issue to the right of his own church.

[kurth]

2. Which religion?

[aquart]

7. I censored myself before I said that.

Also, the top three patriarchal religions all blast homosexuality. In public.

[mitchtv]

14. His church, I believe

sanctions same sex marriage. Some kind of church with Christ in the name
on edit: UCC United Church of Christ, thanks troubleinwinter

[Critters2]

52. First Christian church to ordain gay clergy and approve gay marriages.

My church, too. I'm proud of our record where this is concerned.

[Yael]

24. I heard he was a muslim

:sarcasm:

[LordJFT]

3. Obama supports repealing the part of DOMA that says that states don't have to recognize gay marriage

from other states. Hilary doesn't. So Obama's actually better on the issues, but go ahead and flame away.

[aquart]

8. So what part is he LEAVING IN?

[IndianaJones]

10. perhaps a new bipartisan federal ban on gay marriage is forthcoming. nt.

[SteppingRazor]

62. Unlikely, since Obamavoted against the last one. n/t

[LordJFT]

35. Nothing, he wants to repeal the whole thing unlike Clinton

[maddiejoan]

9. well you're wrong about that

Hillary has said she intends to repeal sections 2 & 3 of DOMA.

[Windy]

15. And let me see... under which administration was DOMA enacted?

the clock is ticking hillary supporters....

Alex is waiting for your answer...

[NYCGirl]

28. Obama supports repealing ALL OF IT. NT

[ruggerson]

36. That is correct

n/t

[LordJFT]

38. I know, I'm sorry for not making that clear, I was just pointing out the difference between the two

positions

[Bluebear]

37. This is about Obama, not Hilary.

[NMMNG]

42. Goshdarnit, everything is about Hillary

Don't you know that?

[jackpan1260]

4. I'll take Obama over Clinton, thanks. eom

[aquart]

5. Oh, nice. So much for separation of church and state.

How about the Bill of Rights' traditions of equality for all our citizens?

[midnight]

12. Good point!!!!!!!!! This religious leadership has me very

concerned. Those wanting to lead should take their traditions from the constitution.

[babylonsister]

13. Provide a link to whatever you claim Obama is behind. Thanks. nt

[ruggerson]

30. Here's the quote from Obama himself:

"I'm a Christian, and so although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."

http://pilgrimsole.blogspot.com/2007/12/god-is-still-speaking.html

[riqster]

47. This is a secular nation

Leave yer bible at the time clock, man.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

56. What a repulsive quote

I'm an atheist, and I think he's full of shit.

[SteppingRazor]

61. And here's a link to the article the quote was taken from:

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/BarackObama.htm

A mostly pro-Obama piece that outlines his stance for civil unions, against Don't Ask Don't Tell, and highlights his pro-gay rights record in the Illinois senate and his vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and his opposition to the DOMA.

[sandnsea]

16. Uh, DUH, it's behind everybody's opposition

who opposes gay marriage.

Is this news to you?

[bunnies]

17. So why is Hillary against it? nt

[Stop Cornyn]

18. So his superstitions explained away why equaly rights don't apply to gays? Thank god (mine not his)

that his "religious traditions" didn't oppose interracial marriage.

[indimuse]

19. http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

So what is this telling me? It says that Obama, as a member of this church is committed to the "Black Value System" and believes in a "nonnegotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA". NOT AMERICA!

[troubleinwinter]

20. He is NOT a member of that church. He belongs to United Church of Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ

"The United Church of Christ (UCC) is a mainline Protestant Christian denomination..."

I am not an Obama supporter, but I am a supporter of truth and facts, as opposed to BS smears.

[indimuse]

22. Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, of which Obama is a member.

During the "Obameter" segment on the February 7 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, host Tucker Carlson criticized Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), a presumptive candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, for being a member of a church that Carlson claimed "sounds separatist to me" and "contradicts the basic tenets of Christianity," a subject Carlson said he was "actually qualified to discuss." Carlson was referring to the "Black Value System" advocated by the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, of which Obama is a member. A February 6 Chicago Tribune article reported that "conservative critics have seized on Trinity's 12-point Black Value System, especially the portion relating to 'middleclassness,' as evidence that Obama is a divisive candidate who rejects mainstream American values and is primarily focused on the black community."

THIS IS OBAMA"S CHURCH!!


Just because your a supporter... DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE THE FACTS ON YOUR SIDE!!


http://mediamatters.org/items/200702090009

[troubleinwinter]

23. I just read further....

I had read previously that he is UCC, and now find that he is indeed a member of TUCC, a part of UCC.

So, you are correct that he is TUCC.

But you didn't read my post carefully. I said "I am not an Obama supporter".

[Critters2]

53. Yes, he is a member of that church, and that church is a congregation

of the United Church of Christ. I'm a pastor in the UCC, and have served on conference committees with his pastor. He belongs to Trinity, a part of the United Church of Christ.

[Nailzberg]

25. OMG. A black church on the south side of chicago?

Who let them in the neighborhood?

[indimuse]

26. a bit more complex..

This is America...take a look at the site..

[Nailzberg]

31. I have. I'm familiar with Trinity.

Black empowerment is not a bad thing.

[indimuse]

44. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

THAT IS NOT A COMMITMENT TO AMERICA...you know the country for which Obama is running for President...

[Nailzberg]

46. I've actually visited the church.

It's a very good and vibrant church. And there is nothing wrong with the concept of embracing African heritage. As an African American congregation, there is nothing wrong with supporting the continent of their roots, which also happens to be the most impoverished place in the world, so a commitment to Africa is a pretty charitable and Christian position to hold. Attacking his church? Really?

[cali]

29. what the hell

please don't spread filthy racist shit here. I'm alerting on your vile post. Maybe you're posting on the wrong site freeperville is to the right.

[indimuse]

45. How again is FACT racist...I am sharing what I found on MM'S

"A commitment to Africa but..."
Providing a hand up to people who are less fortunate, including African citizens, is a noble cause but it is not a Black Value System. A Black Value System looks like "Separate But Equal" which was rightly and justly rejected by the United States.

Just because this subject bothers YOU does not make it taboo. If Obama gets the nomination...IF...would it be best as supporter to have at least a bit of knowledge about these areas..? So you may debunk or otherwise accept.

[Critters2]

54. I've heard his pastor speak about this, and you don't understand.

Rev. Wright says this is not about an either/or, not a Black system as opposed to a white or other systme. It isn't about not liking whites or attacking them or whatever. It is about telling people who have been devalued by the system that their heritage, their roots are as honorable as those of Europeans. Not more so, but every bit as honorable.

Trinity belongs to a majority white denomination (folks like me), and is very active at all levels. A racist congregation wouldn't be.

[indimuse]

55. oh..

did you attend a service? just curious..?

[Critters2]

63. Yes. I've taken my confirmation classes to worship there,

so that they see the variety of worship styles in our denomination.

[SteppingRazor]

57. So, a churchgoer must necessarily believe everything a church does?

There's no such thing as a pro-choice Catholic?

And what exactly is wrong with an African-American church having a commitment to Africa, anyway?


Does your local Polish-American Club have a commitment to Poland?

[Windy]

21. Obama for full repeal of DOMA... Hillary is NOT

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/LGBTBlog/CJWR

[ruggerson]

33. But the part of DOMA that Obama wants repealed

that Hillary does not is the clause which states that a marriage performed in one state is not automatically valid in another.

They BOTH favor striking down the clause that prevents the federal government from recognizing state sanctioned same sex unions.

So, if Hillary and Barack both oppose marriage equality, which they do, what is the difference between them?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

49. Don't confuse the OP with facts. Just enjoy the victory tomorrow. nt

[Irishonly]

27. It's Hard To Believe

he is a UCC.

[killbotfactory]

32. So what is behind peoples oppositions to gay marriage?

[maxanne]

39. chill, dude

Your candidate isn't in favor of marriage equality either.

[Bluebear]

40. His candidate didn't sponsor anti-gay concerts, dude.

[maxanne]

41. agreed

but in light of his candidate's stance on marriage equality - it's not a good idea to get too uppity.

Of course, my candidate is the only one brave enough to stand up for equality and civil rights for all of us.

[NMMNG]

43. Keep your religion off my rights!

Period.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

48. This is total bullshit coming from a Clinton supporter. Your candidate is not clean either. nt

[zulchzulu]

50. I'm convinced you are a substance abuser

With goofy hit-and-run OPs like this and with utterly no context other than your own delusions, you must be on something. Get some help.

[CyberPieHole]

51. Obama panders to bigots and homophobes...

His supporters don't care for the civil rights of the LGBTQ community. Back of the bus is too good for them; under the bus is where they belong.:eyes:

:kick: and recommend

[SteppingRazor]

58. Or he uses an anti-gay preacher to get anti-gay voters behind a pro-gay politician...

depends on your perspective.

[SteppingRazor]

59. Dupe

:P

[KennedyGuy]

60. Fuck Obama

I love when one group of opressed people feel it is perfectly acceptable to oppress another..
This is the single reason that if Obama is the nominee..I will vote 3rd party.

[Renew Deal]

64. Didn't Kerry say the same thing?

You voted for him didn't you? Hypocrite