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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:15 PM
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Obama's stealing Edwards' lines: "not about wealth but about work". Okay!
Interesting (from NH dinnrer). I guess that's good if we can move Obama from the corporate agenda. He still needs to fix up his healthcare plan.

I'm still with Edwards - but it's good to see Obama moving Edwards' way.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:17 PM
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1. Edwards' mandate comes AFTER the reforms
The mandates have nothing to do with how his health care plan is implemented. Edwards is actually doing it the right way. It's too bad he decided to spread the Clinton campaign 15 million garbage instead of joining Obama in criticizing mandates first.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:19 PM
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2. Obama steals everything from other campaigns.
I swear he's never had an original idea come from his camp. Time to look that horse in the mouth, Dems.
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 10:01 PM
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14. to young to troll...
Hold your spamming, please. "Steals everyting"... sheeeah
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:19 PM
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But Obama can't steal the Two Americas phrase.
That phrase sold me because it's the first time I've heard what's going on in the U.S. described so honestly and accurately!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:40 PM
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6. It wasn't original to Edwards
The Kerner report (1968 - I think) used it as did Mario Cuomo. Those are the earliest I remember - but I bet there are politicians in the 1890s that used it.

Here's part of a Senate speech that makes the same point from Oct 6, 1993, before Edwards was even interested in politics.

"In many ways, we are witnessing the most rapid change in the workplace in this country since the postwar era began. For a majority of working Americans, the changes are utterly at odds with the expectations they nurtured growing up.

Millions of Americans grew up feeling they had a kind of implied contract with their country, a contract for the American dream. If you applied yourself, got an education, went to work, and worked hard, then you had a reasonable shot at an income, a home, time for family, and a graceful retirement.

Today, those comfortable assumptions have been shattered by the realization that no job is safe, no future assured. And many Americans simply feel betrayed.

To this day I'm not sure that official Washington fully comprehends what has happened to working America in the last 20 years, a period when the incomes of the majority declined in real terms.

In the decade following 1953, the typical male worker, head of his household, aged 40 to 50, saw his real income grow 36 percent. The 40-something workers from 1963 to 1973 saw their incomes grow 25 percent. The 40-something workers from 1973 to 1983 saw their incomes decline, by 14 percent, and reliable estimates indicate that the period of 1983 to 1993 will show a similar decline.

From 1969 to 1989 average weekly earnings in this country declined from $387 to $335. No wonder then, that millions of women entered the work force, not simply because the opportunity opened for the first time. They had no choice. More and more families needed two incomes to support a family, where one had once been enough.

It began to be insufficient to have two incomes in the family. By 1989 the number of people working at more than one job hit a record high. And then even this was not enough to maintain living standards. Family income growth simply slowed down. Between 1979 and 1989 it grew more slowly than at any period since World War II. In 1989 the median family income was only $1,528 greater than it had been 10 years earlier. In prior decades real family income would increase by that same amount every 22 months. When the recession began in 1989, the average family's inflation-adjusted income fell 4.4 percent, a $1,640 drop, or more than the entire gain from the eighties.

Younger people now make less money at the beginning of their careers, and can expect their incomes to grow more slowly than their parents'. Families headed by persons aged 25 to 34 in 1989 had incomes $1,715 less than their counterparts did 10 years earlier, in 1979. Evidence continues to suggest that persons born after 1945 simply will not achieve the same incomes in middle-age that their parents achieved.

Thus, Mr. President, it is a treadmill world for millions of Americans. They work hard, they spend less time with their families, but their incomes don't go up. The more their incomes stagnate, the more they work. The more they work, the more they leave the kids alone, and the more they need child care. The more they need child care, the more they need to work.

Why are we surprised at the statistics on the hours children spend in front of the television; about illiteracy rates; about teenage crime and pregnancy? All the adults are working and too many kids are raising themselves.

Of course, there is another story to be found in the numbers. Not everyone is suffering from a declining income. Those at the top of the income scale are seeing their incomes increase, and as a result income inequality in this Nation is growing dramatically. Overall, the 30 percent of our people at the top of the income scale have secured more and more, while the bottom 70 percent have been losing. The richest 1 percent saw their incomes grow 62 percent during the 1980's, capturing a full 53 percent of the total income growth among all families in the entire economy. This represents a dramatic reversal of what had been a post-war trend toward equality in this country. It also means that the less well-off in our society--the same Americans who lost out in the Reagan tax revolution--are the ones being hurt by changes in the economy.

You might say that we long ago left the world of Ward and June Clever. We have entered the world of Roseanne and Dan, and the yuppies from `L.A. Law' working downtown. "
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:56 PM
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12. He's the only one speaking about the two-class system.
Obama talks about how this has to be done, and that, but he wants to stay winking friendly with the powers-that-be. :-)

And I'm not even going to go there with H. Clinton!!
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:41 PM
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7. But he did steal it in a way...
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:54 PM
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11. He's trying, but it's already recognized as Edwards' stand
I LOVE Edwards!!!!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:19 PM
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3. Obama's been saying that kind of thing for a while
"This isn't the invisible hand of the market at work. It's the successful work of special interests. For decades, we've seen a successful strategy to ride anti-tax sentiment in this country toward tax cuts that favor wealth, not work. And for decades, we've seen the gaps in wealth in this country grow wider, while the costs to working people are greater."
http://www.barackobama.com/2007/09/18/obama_announces_major_middle_c.php
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:22 PM
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4. Edwards has said this at least since 2003. He framed this in a way no one else had before.
Welcome aboard, Sen. Obama.

Oh God, he's talking about reaching across the aisle now - for what - to get your hand bitten off?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:24 PM
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5. You got jacked.


:sarcasm:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:42 PM
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8. Ummm...I think that's a dig at Edwards' wealth. Obama is the poorest Dem candidate.
As is Huckabee.

Hmmmmm....I wonder if that's part of what the Iowa voters were considering.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:44 PM
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9. No, it's just stealing a concept: rewarding work not wealth. Obama's been picking up his
his message as he goes. Much of it, from John Edwards
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:59 PM
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13. Silly post. Of course he hasn't been. Has Edwards ever used the word "change"?
Quit being so hostile to your own kin.

Edwards and Obama are not that far apart in their programs and plans, and they share the same ideology.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:01 AM
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15. Every Democrat for years has spoke of this
when they argue that the lower tax on capital gains rewards wealth over work - I've heard this for years. I know that Kerry used this in 2003/2004 - and has in Senate as well. He most certainly was not the first. It's pretty generic. Edwards really was not the first person to say most of this.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-04-08 09:46 PM
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10. Democrats talk alike
Because they're Democrats. It's always amusing to see supporters claiming anything original in political speech.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:06 AM
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16. Exactly, and
that's a great way to put it.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-05-08 12:07 AM
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17. Obama has been stealing everything, including Edwards' former speechwriter.
This is not a big surprise. Will he act on his words? I don't happen to think so.
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