Why is the Obama campaign putting out false rumors of vote deals?

[rinsd]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3932998&mesg_id=3932998

[wryter2000]

1. The real question

When will the Hillary/Obama mudslinging stop at DU?

[David Dunham]

2. It will stop in February when Hillary clinches the nomination.

[TwilightZone]

4. When one or the other drops out of the race.

[MethuenProgressive]

3. Obama embraces the Nixionian/Chicago style of politics.

I'm not naming names, but his pals Bob Novak and Karl Rove are very proud of him.

[maximusveritas]

5. It's probably not false

It's just that the Richardson and Biden camps don't want it public. That's why their denials say there's no "deal". Well, there isn't one. It's just Richardson and Biden deciding to send votes to Obama for their own self-interest.

[Debi]

9. Biden campaign has told their precinct captains that there is no deal

and to not listen to the rumors coming from the Obama campaign.

Why would Biden campaign say that to the very people who are supposed to direct Biden supporters in the event he's not viable? If they'd cut a deal they would have instructed their precinct captains on what to do. They told them to stand strong for Biden.

No Deal.

[Pirate Smile]

11. I just saw this on the Washington Post - cites both Biden and Obama sources

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/03/a_bidenobama_deal_1.html

[Adelante]

16. It says an Obama source confirmed a Biden source

Do you know which camp the rumor originated in?

[Debi]

17. I just called the Biden campaign - the story is BS

No Deal has been made, whoever is making those comments to the press is either not with the campaign or not in the same boat as the campaign.

They've never heard the 'viability for victory' comment.

Biden supporters are being told to stand strong and DON'T cut deals.

[Debi]

20. I just say this on TPM that sites both Biden and Obama sources

and uses names.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/biden_spokesman_there_are_no_discussions_of_any_deal_with_obama_camp.php

[Pirate Smile]

29. That is good. Both are on the record.

[maximusveritas]

19. How do you know this?

If so, I'll believe it's false, but somehow I think they'll still do it, though maybe only in selected areas at the last hour.

[William769]

6. Did you not get the memo?

Hillary supporters are in meltdown right now. I can show you where it was posted on DU.

[killbotfactory]

7. He hates the truth and wants to kill your children

[Debi]

8. Because if you say it enough times it becomes the truth

If the MSM picks up on it then it will be all over the news and even when the Richardson camp and the Biden camp have the time to deny the rumor (the MSM has only been focusing on Obama and two others)the story will be the rumor not the denial.

Smart move on the Obama camps part. Slimy, but smart.

[Adelante]

13. Debi, can you point me?

I haven't seen where this is coming from Obama's camp. I've read several of these things. Now, if it were Obama's camp as the source, I would say it's pretty ordinary politics; slimy as that can be, this would be far from what I've seen as slimy. But when you say it is coming from Obama's camp, where are you getting that from? I would appreciate seeing the source. I'm not being bitchy. I want to know.

[Debi]

21. Nope.

and Bill Burton said it's not true either

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/biden_spokesman_there_are_no_discussions_of_any_deal_with_obama_camp.php

[Adelante]

22. I accept that it's not true - I said all day yesterday there is no reason it should be true

What I haven't seen is the originating source of the rumor as Obama's campaign. Just people saying it must be the case. Do I have it right that "Nope" means you don't have a link saying the rumor started with Obama's campaign?

[Debi]

26. Right - all I have is the Huff Post story

and the denial from the Obama campaign a day after the story broke - would have been nice for them to cut the rumor off at the knees. but the rumor has served it's purpose, the denial will be ignored.

[rinsd]

31. NYT story just breaking is citing an Obama adviser

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3936961&mesg_id=3936961

In the same article it includes a denial by Burton.

[Adelante]

33. So what?

Obama advisers hear rumors and repeat them just like any other political freak. The only official statement by the Obama campaign is that the rumors are not true. I wouldn't mind if they were true, for that matter, it's politics. But all we've got is rumor and we don't know whether it originated in Obama's campaign or in a rival campaign. Is it even conceivable that all campaigns aren't wheeling and dealing in Iowa? Not to me.

[frazzled]

10. Um, nowhere does it say this info. came from the Obama camp

It could have come from a Richardson operative/advisor, who was unauthorized to make it official or public and the campaign had to backstep a bit.

Watch your accusations ... or prove them. I don't believe you can.

[rinsd]

14. Simple, most are unnamed sources and the Biden & Richardson camps deny the deal.

You're not going to lie about something like that.

But these rumors benefit Obama as the rumor is blared out but the denials are whispered.

WTF is the point of a deal if you do not make it public and explain exactly what is going on to your own supporters?

[Dawgs]

23. So, you're admitting you're lying when saying it came from the Obama camp?

WOW!!

[rinsd]

24. I think the Obama campaign is by far the likely culprit.

They are the beneficiary and some of these rumors were first reported here @ DU as coming from Obama's blogs before the more MSM whisper campaign began.

[Dawgs]

27. Your thoughts and it actually happening are two different things.

So, you are still a liar.

I thought you better than something like this, rinsd.

[rinsd]

30. Posting my thoughts about a rumor that continues to be pushed by Obama supporters here is lying?

[JackORoses]

36. it is being dishonest though, right Rindy?

You know that when it comes down to it these candidates will throw their support to Obama.
They just can't admit it publicly because they do not want to discourage voters from choosing them.

It must suck to see such a righteous mutiny taking down Her Majesty's Ship.

[William769]

25. Check out this thread and you will have your answer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3936001&mesg_id=3936001

[sandnsea]

12. Speaking of false rumors... n/t

[Bullet1987]

15. Neither the Richardson or Biden campaigns

have made deals WITH the Obama campaign. That doesn't mean they still won't get their precinct captains to go to Obama if they don't make the 15%.

[sandnsea]

18. I completely get that

That's exactly what I said last night when you posted this to me. The OP is saying the Obama campaign is spreading false rumors, and I'd like him to prove that this even came from the Obama camp.

[Renew Deal]

28. I don't assume they're false

Just because it's being denied doesn't mean it's untrue. It's strategery.

[avrdream]

32. Gee, you leave DU for 12 hours and come back to THIS!

When does the craziness stop?

I am so tired of "senior campaign advisors" leaking things to the news.

[debatepro]

34. Why?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/03/obama-will-get-richardsons-second-choice-votes/
Barack Obama’s drive to win tonight’s Iowa caucuses is getting a boost from two of his putative rivals. After earlier winning the support of Dennis Kucinich, Obama’s campaign has reached an agreement with Bill Richardson for the second-choice votes of Richardson supporters in caucuses where the New Mexico governor can’t clear the threshold for competition, according to a senior Obama campaign adviser. The adviser estimated that the deal puts Mr. Obama in position to claim support from roughly half of the 15 percent of Democratic caucus-goers expected to support second-tier candidates.
In return, the Obama adviser said, Obama forces will lend support to Mr. Richardson at caucuses where Mr. Obama turns out more backers than he needs to win any additional delegates.

[Sulawesi]

35. I am not convinced they are spreading them, nor that they are false, so...

..much stuff flying around.