Why is it so hard for me to get into Obama? Any chance he grows on me?....

[annie1]

I get the feeling he might win. and he wins the nom, he'll definitely win the GE. But on a personal level i am so not into him. I know that doesn't matter, i know it's not important, but i just canNOT get into the guy. Hil, Biden, Edwards, Dodd, yes. Would love to watch them for the next 4 years. But Obama so far, listening to him, just really not into him at all, i'm kinda put off. Any chance he'll grow on me? I'm sure he's an awesome guy, but he just doesn't 'turn me on' in any way. Anyone else here used to be put off by him grew to like him?

hopeful not too many flames, obviously i'm not putting the guy down, it's just a personal reaction.

[Adelante]

1. Well, you can't like everybody

:shrug:

[annie1]

5. I suppose. it just sucks cuz i love politics, and i love watching..

the president if he's a dem, so if he's the pres, if i still feel about him they way i do now, lol, i won't have the pleasure. Or maybe i will, maybe it'll be fine.

[Sparkly]

2. I think if it came to seeing him up against a slimy Republican,

it'd be hard not to cheer for him! (True of any of our candidates, probably!)

[Cha]

3. I sure got into

Kerry fast! It was like gangbusters!

[annie1]

4. well that's good news. he bored me a bit too. not as much as O, but...

something like that.

[David Dunham]

6. Kerry was a true liberal. Obama's using Republican talking points

[LordJFT]

48. BS, Kerry was a war supporting coporate DLCer

[ellisonz]

69. STFU

[BeyondGeography]

7. Maybe you're not astrologically compatible...What's your sign?

[annie1]

8. taurus. but i think it's his speech pattern, or something.

[Cha]

18. Obama's a Leo..so there

ya go.. I love the way he talks..but that's just me.

[itsrobert]

9. Maybe because he's a phony?

He'll say anything to get elected.

[annie1]

10. hmm. ya know, maybe it is because of something like that...

i can't say i'd call him a phony, but maybe with all his "passion" (supposed) it doesn't sound real deep. doesn't come from his gut or something. Like dodd. dodd means every f'g word. biden.

[itsrobert]

14. If you listen to an Obama speech it's nothing

but a bunch of quoting famous people like MLK, Lincoln, Jefferson, Kennedy, etc all tied up in a neat presentation. They almost sound like some "C" college student is writing them for him.

[Colobo]

16. Mmm... you don't like the guy, obviously.

[itsrobert]

19. I usually don't like "Teacher's Pet"

type people.

[Colobo]

22. The important thing is

let the people's choice win. Everything will start tomorrow, and if Iowa and then America decide to chose Obama as the Democratic nominee, I hope to see you rooting for him.

[VA_08er]

23. hmmmm....

....and Edwards isn't a phony? He's for the poor, yet lives in a GIGANTIC mansion.

... he's done nothing but campaign since losing the 2004 election.

... he's too slick, just like Mitt.

[itsrobert]

28. He's from modest means

Kerry lost the 2004 election and Edwards wanted to fight on.
Edwards is continuing the fight, Kerry is sitting at home.

Slick is Obama, not Edwards.

[VA_08er]

hmmmm again

if Edwards was a worthy candidate in 2004, why didn't he help the ticket and bring in some red states?

he's done nothing but pander for four years....what else has he done? i can't think of a thing.

methinks the edwards people are just jealous of obama because edwards was supposed to be the charismatic face of a new generation of dems. he's now just another politician who's accomplished very little in the five or six years...other than building himself a GIGANTIC home ....look at this thing:



that's really experiencing the plight of the poor.

[itsrobert]

41. Kerry Campaign didn't spend any money in red states

I know. I traveled from El Paso, TX to Las Crues, NM to see Kerry in person. The Edwards people begged the Kerry people to run a 50 state campaign, but Kerry's people won out. I'm surprised you don't know your facts about 2004, were you in grade school by chance?

[VA_08er]

47. funny....

....i thought north or south carolina would have been a closer race...

bush won by 12 points in N.C.

bush won by 17 points in S.C.

methinks edwards should have made it at least a little closer than that...goes to show he wasn't the one then and he's not the one now.

did i mention he lives in a GIGANTIC house yet he purports to love the poor? yeah, he loves them because he makes money off of the poor and has for the last four years. the more he stayed in the public spotlight "helping the poor", the more money he could make in speaking fees. he's got to pay his very eco-unfriendly energy bill somehow.

[itsrobert]

52. You can't win; even your home state without money

Kerry people wouldn't put the money in the Carolinas. Have fun in your own little world where people who have big houses and money don't give a damn about the poor.

[ellisonz]

71. Welcome to DU!

:beer:

[VA_08er]

36. hmmmm again

sorry for the double post...

[ellisonz]

70. Dude, get a mirror.

Edwards has nearly half of his personal wealth tied up in hedge funds. He worked for a hedge fund to learn about poverty. And yet he rails against greed and corporate interest. Cry me a river...

[bobbolink]

31. So, get rid of Teddy Kennedy, because he's rich and lives in HUGE homes???

So much for FDR, the Kennedys.

:crazy:

[kurth]

50. Yep, the ideal Democratic candidate should live moderately in a trailer, eat plenty of veggies and

wear JCPenney suits. Puritan hat optional.

[bobbolink]

51. The HELL it's optional!

I want to see a run on Puritan hats.

:rofl:

[VA_08er]

55. not at all....

...there's just the scent of hypocrisy for many people with edwards and his GIGANTIC house and his so-called two america's plight of the poor line. he sure does live like corporate america....

[rasputin1952]

63. I don't think so...

Why is it that only R's are permitted to make money in this country?

There are D's that have money, and if they wish to spend it on large homes, it is their money, why cut them up about it?

We don't know what people do with some of their cash, or their time...perhaps he has quietly helped all kinds of people out in many different ways other than what we see.

I figure those that work the war for profit are far worse than those that build a house.

I find it odd that people think D's should live in hovels and beg for food just to be a part of a party that has done more for the worker than all of the neo-cons ever have.

[bobbolink]

67. You're certainly showing hypocrisy yourself, when you can't even

admit that many others are just as rich, and living in houses just as huge.

:rofl:

[truedelphi]

73. I tried listening to him yeserday and it was like,

I am for change. I am a uniter not a divider.

And it all sounded so scripted and so familiar.

[annie1]

76. yes. i was just listening to something today...

i could swear it was "unity" "stand up" "change" but there were no other words. lol. i was just like ?????? wha?

[truedelphi]

78. I wonder if what I am feeling is envy that I am not his speech writer

I'm sure it pays well, and it seems like such easy work.

Okay sentence one, use the word "change"
Sentence two "Unity"

Sentence three go back to "change"

Sentence four "I am here to unite, not divide."

Etc.

[sellitman]

20. Its his Unity Bullcrap.

I don't want Unity with the Repiggies. I want them crushed embarrassed and put in jail where they belong.

Ricardo Montaban said it well. " Revenge is a dish best served cold "

[bobbolink]

34. "We're in for the fight of our lives because they won't give up their power willingly."

or...

"Unity"....

NOpe, as much as I'm not looking forward to a big fight, this time we MUST fight.

Or just hand over the keys to the nation to the corporations and their front guys, the RW.

[hedgehog]

53. How about the best revenge is convincing them that we're right

and to vote with us? FDR brought some pretty unsavory characters along with him to get the New Deal going.

[sellitman]

64. Convince them that we are what?

Very funny. Have you talked with a Fundie ever?

They won't be convinced. They need to be marginalized not convinced.

[laugle]

29. You know what they say about "women's intuition"

it's usually right!

[Laurab]

85. Well, I'm a woman and I like listening to him.

I can't imagine listening to one of the candidates for the next four years, and I hope I don't have to, but I'd look forward to Obama speaking.

He has been using a stump speech, usually they are quite similar, but he speaks about other things on many, many occasions - check out youtube. He's interesting to listen to, and has a quick wit and good sense of humor.

There's MY women's intuition, and "they say it's usually right!"

[Colobo]

12. That's... nice...

[skipos]

33. I see the same thing posted about Edwards all the time here

And it is just as much BS about him as it is about Obama.

[stillcool]

11. I am more impressed...

when I see these candidates one on one, rather than in a debate forum, or as blurbs.. pigeon holed in what ifs.

[msongs]

13. Obama's got that college professor lecturing you thing nt

[annie1]

17. lol. i found them more interesting. i like information.

[ellisonz]

72. Here you go:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/obama

Other courses taught include:

Constitutional Law III: Equal Protection and Substantive Due Process
Current Issues in Racism & the Law
Voting Rights & the Democratic Process

[annie1]

75. damn, i would love a video of him teaching. maybe it is the lack of substance thing...

that keeps me from liking him. but i just realized that it's for the best. the less he says, the more people like him. then he can win. and not to be dark, but if he was really fierce and full of substance, people would be against him. and real change, plus substance, plus viability, he's have to wear a bullet proof vest for the next 8 years. So i think it all makes sense. :)

[ellisonz]

79. I think alot of people who talk about substance don't really understand what substance is.

Substance is not making lots of promises that you can't keep. Substance is not alot of hot air about "expierence" and "fighting." Substance is having heart and knowing with to deal with that sense of purpose. I supported Howard Dean in 2004.x(

[Double T]

15. Lots of rhetoric and little substance will never grow on YOU.

There are plenty of MORE QUALIFIED candidates to choose from.

[annie1]

21. yeah, it sounds sort of almost put on-y. i'm sure it can't be because...

too many people like him for that to be the case, but that's how it comes off. even though i am sure, and i'd say 100% sure, that i know he means it, but, dunno. now i'm bummed about the election. i have no one to be excited about!

[alteredstate]

35. I've been an Obama volunteer since April

I met him a few months ago, and he's extremely engaging. Have you actually been able to hear him speak in person? He truly electrifies and inspires a crowd.

[annie1]

38. i do hope i get a chance to. i live in ny, when he stop by i'll check him out for sure.

[alteredstate]

42. I'm in South Carolina

so we'll be seeing a lot of all of the candidates before the primary on the 26th.

[laugle]

40. I noticed your sig line quotes Hillary, I hope you will

join her supporters because we need "Hill and Bill, the (DYNAMIC DUO) to clean-up the Bush mess!

And besides....they know how to kick-ass and WIN!!

I like a TWO-FER.........LOL

[annie1]

43. i'll be volunteering for dems in PA, not sure if for her camp or just...

for dems in general, but i'm for sure on team hil at heart.

[laugle]

60. You sound like a really nice

person. Good luck to your candidate, whomever you choose.....I hope it's Hillary...........

[annie1]

61. aww, thanks! : ). ...and...

yes, Hil '08!

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. My thoughts exactly.

He sure is pretty to listen to. But has nothing to offer the Presidency.

[laureloak]

83. Amen. Obama = Empty Suit

[Thrill]

25. I'm just amazed someone can get into Dodd

but can't get into Barack? I don't get that

[annie1]

27. :D!! lol. He's so passionate! He means every freakin' word...

he's not saying anything to turn anyone on, he's just saying it. i love that. that's my favorite thing.

[ruggerson]

26. I'm not particularly fond of him either

I don't think he has real courage or shown any flashes of being something other than a routine politician. But should he go all the way, that could change. The White House has a way of maturing people. What I'd like to see him do is stand up for something controversial that is right and good and not to his political benefit. I see that in Joe Biden alot. He is authentic about what he believes in. I don't see it in Barack Obama.

[Auntie Bush]

44. Same here!

[mtnsnake]

30. Anytime you want to "get in" to Obama, just listen to his Keynote Address he gave in 2004

in case you haven't seen it, or in case you forgot how good it was. Make sure you listen to the entire thing, especially towards the end. You can find videos of it by googling.

Don't worry, my friend, if he gets the nod, he'll grow on ya. In the meantime, he's got Hillary to worry about though ;)

[annie1]

32. lol, i tried to watch it. i couldn't get to the end. i ended up watching Mario Cuomo instead...

lol. but i have heard it gets better towards the end. i will give it another shot. thanks!

i can't stand the start and stop speech pattern he's got, drives me absolutely fucking nuts.

[Catherine Vincent]

37. Is this a black thing?

(just kidding) :)

[annie1]

39. :D. Actually, i put myself through that, made sure to question it...

but i analyzed it, and no, that's not it. : ). but it's a valid question, because you never know.

[Stop Cornyn]

45. Personally, I think it's because he has bad timing. Just as I'm about to get over one screw up, he

commits another unforced error.

He uncanny.

You ALMOST want to get past Donnie McHomophobe, but then he's bashing Hillary (which is OK) for a vote which HE SKIPPED or bashing Edwards for being a trial lawyer who represented injured people against corporations or he's channeling the CEO of some HMO to argue why universal coverage is BAD ....

If Obama got all his wrong notes out of the way at once, you could maybe get past them, but he has a knack for spacing them out so he annoys the shit out of you just when you are wanting to like him.

[I was just saying...]

46. First thought, best thought. nt.

[annie1]

49. ooooh, i like that.

[emilyg]

54. I started out really, really liking him.

Not anymore.

[Cameron27]

68. Same here emily.

[hedgehog]

56. He has different speaking styles depending on the circumstances.

On the stump, he's on fire.

In a question and answer situation, he speaks very carefully and precisely. Like a lot of lawyers, he starts out slowly (hence the accusation that he stutters) then speeds up as he gets his thoughts lined up for the response.

He is consistent in what he says but adapts his tone to the circumstances. If you expect fire works from an interview, you'll be disappointed. On the other hand, listen carefully and you'll hear someone who actually thinks about what he says instead of spouting a rote answer.

[CK_John]

57. My biggest problem is that unless Chi Town has had a total makeover in politics

who is his sponsor and what was the arrangement Chi style.

[hedgehog]

59. You mean the City that Works?

[MichDem10]

58. Don't worry ...

Obama WON'T win a GE if he is the nominee. We will be subject to another 4+ years of Iraq.

[BlueStater]

62. I can't really get into him either

I used to like him but he's done nothing for me as a presidential candidate.

[oasis]

65. Barack would be one helluva used car salesman. (eom)

[Czolgosz]

66. kick

[NMDemDist2]

74. don't feel like the lone stranger annie

I have never warmed up to him, when the media was all abuzz about his speech at the Convention I made a point to catch it on CSpan and didn't see what everyone was so ga-ga about even then

I'm almost in the "Anybody but Obama" camp and that's sad.

I'll vote for him in the GE but I won't be thrilled to do so.

[calico1]

80. I feel the same way.

Too smooth, too slick. Makes me uneasy. I have yet to feel impressed by him. If he wins the nomination of course I will vote for him but not very happily.

[NMDemDist2]

81. that's what my hubby just said too, thinks he's too slick

and panders to whoever he's speaking to.

and I still haven't forgiven him for the McKlurkin gay basher thing

[Prophet 451]

77. Can't like everyone

He's never made me enthuasiastic either but if it helps, he seems like a decent enough guy and would probably make a decent president.

[ronnykmarshall]

82. Well I think Michelle might have an issue of you getting into him.

If ya know what I mean?

Ok, I'm trash wrapped in skin.

[fightindonkey]

84. Fungus Has A Better Chance of Growing On You Or The Public

[LaurenG]

86. Aw, I'd vote for him in the general and if I get to vote in the primaries

I may vote for him. Last night I was sure I was not going to but today after some research I am still considering him. I do favor another candidate but Obama's an OK guy.

[BenDavid]

87. Nope! unless you were impressed with his oratory, or his lil'

strut,obama will not grow on you: but you listened carefully and you heard the same bs many others have.....If obama is the nominee of this party we again will lose. I do not care that Obama said: "Election theft won't be tolerated".Well heck, if Obama says he's going to fight, just like Gore and Kerry/edwards promised that they were going to fight, that's good enough for us - right? HELL NO!

You all said for months after the 04 election you all wanted a fighter for our nominee in the 08 election. Well folks she entered the campaign and before the week was up there was so much hatred directed at her it was amazing. Many were quoting directly from the gop playbook about her. This has continued month after month and she has withstood all the attacks and even fought back but she was critized for that but she kept on moving forward. You all wanted a bear to be our nominee, then you all go ahead and let obama be the "teddy bear" and the gop will win "BIG TIME"......

I do not care nor have I said HRC would win Iowa by the big margins the pollsters have given us. I say she will win by a narrow margin and if she does not and even finishes third in iowa and second in n.h. you all tell me where obama or edwards will pick up the 2,181 delegates to have a majority????? You cannot show me or any of the HRC supporters, but we can show you where HRC will by the 15th or the end of Feb. have a majority of delegates to be our nominee.....

You wanted a bear then HRC is the damn grizzley in this campaign......

[krabigirl]

88. I;ll never get into him, even if he's the nominee. I'll vote for him because I have to but..

[vanboggie]

89. I'm so disappointed

I feel almost as badly tonight as I did when 2004 was stolen. I'm with many here in that I can't see anything to get excited about in an Obama candidacy. I'll keep trying, but swear to God that I don't see what his supporters are seeing.