Is this the end of the Clintons?

[Sulawesi]

From the Telegraph...

"Was I witnessing the last throes of the 15-year-long Clinton political psychodrama in Ames, Iowa yesterday? Here’s my newspaper piece on Hillary’s final plea for support in tomorrow’s caucuses. The case she made was far from compelling – that she’s human (honest) and that she has unrivalled experience. Both propositions are debatable and she was much less compelling than Barack Obama and John Edwards have been in recent days. She seems to have had some kind of speech therapy to create a softy-soft voice that made me long for the grating shrillness of yore.

Hillary Clinton tried to present herself as softer and more human

The Obama campaign is supremely confident that victory is within its grasp. “So what?” I hear you ask. Iowa is a sparsely populated, unrepresentative state in which on the Democratic side only 124,000 people caucused in 2004. Surely it can’t matter that much? Don’t bet on it. If Hillary loses tomorrow, her presidential bid is likely to collapse like a house of cards. ..."

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[goldcanyonaz]

1. The Telegragh is a rag, nm

[no name no slogan]

15. Exactly. A couple steps right of Francisco Franco

and like the Sun, but on better paper.

[Captain Hilts]

23. It's called the "Torygraph." 'Nuff said. nt

[LakeSamish706]

2. Sure hope you have your Flame Retardant on! lol n/t

[Cha]

3. "House of Cards" that

it is.

[Bitwit1234]

4. Oh lord have mercy....................what a crock of shit

bash bash bash bash bash can't your obama lauders stop it for ten minutes.

HILLARY CLINTON HAS A DOUBLE DIGIT LEAD OVER OBAMA ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. He will be lucky to win in Iowa and if he does that's it for him. His people suck. they positively absolutely suck. I have never ever ever ever seen a bunch of people who are more evil, vile, hate filled and full of lies as his are.

[Sulawesi]

5. I simply pasted the link without comment...

...I for one disagree that she is done if she comes in 3rd in IA, and have said so...

[laugle]

31. She doesn't need Iowa--she has high

national numbers. I'm sick of Iowa and would prefer we all vote on the same day. No state should have influence over the rest of the states, again, they are not representative of this country!

[bunnies]

6. Vile & Hate filled?

Kinda like your post? What is the purpose of being so mean? Its a little disturbing.

[Sulawesi]

8. It is simply the text of the article, I pasted it...

[bunnies]

10. I didnt mean you Sulawesi...

It was Bitwit I was referring to. :hi:

[TomInTib]

9. I believe you left out Rove and Atwater, Bitwit.

But I cannot get behind any of these people.

I'm just going to wait for the smoke to clear.

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[babylonsister]

16. My, my. Nasty and delusional! How's your blood pressure?

I'd worry, seriesle!!1! :crazy:

[sniffa]

18. please make this an OP so we can get this to the GP

:thumbsup:

[dionysus]

22. thorazine, try it, love it.

[earthlover]

24. "His people suck. they positively absolutely suck.I have never evereverever seen a bunch of people..

.... who are more evil, vile, hate filled and full of lies as his are".

Well, bitwit, your post actually complains about bashing!

Congrats: you did the most bashing in one post I have seen, even from you, in awhile!

Pot Meet Kettle....

[Catherine Vincent]

35. Lookee at all the replies to your post, bitwit.

You really get their goat!

[hughee99]

47. Wow... If Hillary's people in Iowa are

only half as convincing and eloquent as yourself, I don't see how she can lose the caucus. :sarcasm:

Of course, if after the last 8 years the most evil, vile and hate filled liars you have "ever, ever, ever seen" are OBAMA's people, perhaps this is a winning tactic in the imaginary world you've constructed.

[Nimrod2005]

7. Yes it is....THANK GOD!

[liberalnurse]

13. Your going to be crying in your beer soon.

She is the ONE. President Hillary Clinton....It shall happen.

[liberalnurse]

11. No Way!

The Best is yet to unfold! America will rise to the top once again with the leadership of President Hillary Clinton!:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[L0oniX]

12. I don't think we've seen the end of any corporate whores in office.

The corporations are controlling everything and everyone.

[rodeodance]

17. ha, guess the Tele does not know Mrs. Clinton.

[sniffa]

19. hopefully

[The River]

20. I Sure Hope So

Let Hillary stay in the Senate where her talent fits and put the "Big Dawg"
out to stud. A Win-Win for everyone.

[AtomicKitten]

21. I hope so.

I prefer to remember the Clintons fondly, but that goodwill is dissipating every day.

Enough with the dynastic cronyism.

[Perry Logan]

25. Scientists of the future will study why people in our day said such weird things about the Clintons.

[Sulawesi]

27. Historians...maybe

[laugle]

26. That's ridiculous, Bill Clinton skipped Iowa and won!

You might want to check out some of the national numbers on HRC and not focus so much on Iowa, they clearly are not representative of this country!

Clearly your bias is showing, try to be more objective!

[Sulawesi]

28. All I did was paste the article, check out my post #5

[laugle]

29. Well....I guess there is a presumption that you

agree with it! In any case it has little basis in fact or substance!

Next time, you may want to post your opinion at the end of it, but I think your agenda is obvious..........

[Sulawesi]

34. I agree she is on the edge...NH is her firewall...

[karynnj]

50. Tom Harkin was running - he was a favorite son

PS don't say that Obama is from neighbor, Illinois, because HRC is too. Note that some say that Clark was hurt by not running in Iowa.

There is also a difference in actually fighting for it and losing - especially when the case was made that she was the inevitable favorite.

[KennedyGuy]

30. It'll take a lot more than this to rattle the Clintons..

They are born fighters..

[bvar22]

32. Is this the end of the Clintons?

We can only hope.
I don't think the Working Class could survive another DLC (Republican Lite) Presidency.

I don't wish them bad times.

I just wish they would go away.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[Catherine Vincent]

33. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em right?

LOL!

[loveangelc]

36. we can only hope

[Auntie Bush]

37. Don't you wish!!!!

Sorry, but your bias is showing. Pull your strap up.

[GreenTea]

38. Man I hope it is....Hopefully, the Bush's as well, though like Hillary, Jeb is lingering!

[Sparkly]

39. "Psychodrama" seems to describe many of their attackers.

"...the grating shrillness of yore" -- give me a break. :eyes:

True, she might not win Iowa. But what's the point of this?

[Cameron27]

40. It's just a feel good piece

to satisfy the anti-Clinton crowd. It takes so little.

[Infinite Hope]

41. I agree that Iowa is essential to Hillary.

Or at the very least, a very close 2nd place finish (within 5-8%).

[leftynyc]

44. Iowa is meaningless to her

So is NH - anybody who has the money to stay in until 2/5 is going to and that's where the race really starts. IO and NH have a very small delegate count and once Florida and the delegates on super Tuesday have their say, THEN we'll know who is the likely nominee. This isn't like other years with the frontloading of primaries - IO and NH will merely be "feel good" places for nominees. I will vote for whoever the nominee is - my first choice is Biden (it seems everyone has to declare before they're allowed an opinion these days).

[Colobo]

48. Wrong. Momentum will build behind the winner of IA and NH.

[leftynyc]

51. That may have been true in the past

but not anymore. Delegate rich states moving their primaries up to 2/5 and earlier are going to turn that conventional wisdom on its head.

[CyberPieHole]

42. If Obama comes in 3rd HIS campaign will be over as well...

I hope it does for the countries sake...the U.S. has been governed by an inexperienced politico long enough...we don't need to add a Democratic version of Bush into the mix.

[leftynyc]

45. With the amount of money he has raised

he can afford to stay in until Super Tuesday. I don't think you'll see any top tier candidate pull out until then.

[OneBlueSky]

43. one can only hope . . . n/t

.

[Tesha]

46. You beat me to it. (NT)

[Colobo]

49. Have faith, it will happen.

[dbackjon]

52. Chelsea in '28!!