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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:43 AM
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DES MOINES REGISTER CHANGES ARTICLE ON BIG CLINTON BLUNDER! AGBIZ AS CHAIR, AGAINST LOCAL CONTROL
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 12:34 PM by Dems Will Win


THE DES MOINES REGISTER REVISED THE "PHILIPPI-LOCAL CONTROL" ARTICLE ONLINE FOR HILLARY BECAUSE IT WAS SO RUINOUS AND THEY GOT COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WRITER. IN THE INTEREST OF SEEING HOW THE NEWS IS BEING MANIPULATED, HERE IS THE ARTICLE AND THEN I WILL GIVE YOU THE SCRUBBED QUOTES. THIS IS TRULY OUTRAGEOUS. HILLARY'S PROBLEM IS THAT THE BAD VERSION WAS PRINTED AND ALREADY READ BY THE STATE. THIS AFTER HILLARY HOLDING HER "RURAL CONFERENCE" IN THE OFFICES OF MONSANTO'S LOBBYIST!

Here's the rewritten article:

Farmer Garry Klicker and some other family-farm advocates say Democrat Hillary Clinton's choice of a leader of her rural campaign committee casts doubt on her credibility on small-farm issues.

Clinton picked the owner of a large-scale livestock operation who has promoted national corporate agriculture interests to be co-chairwoman of "Rural Americans for Hillary."

That's Joy Philippi, who owns a fourth-generation Nebraska family farm with 2,000 hogs. Philippi is a recent past president of the National Pork Producers Council.

"That's the poster organization for corporate agriculture," said Klicker, who owns about 120 acres in rural Bloomfield and raises about 130 cows and calves.

Klicker said that because Clinton picked Philippi, he doesn't believe the candidate when she says she will champion small farms if she is elected president.

"I'm just very disappointed that Hillary would turn her back on us like this," said Klicker, who said he is unsure whom he will caucus for but is leaning toward Democrat Joe Biden. "She says she'll do one thing, yet when you surround yourself with people who are against the rest of us, we can't expect anything good to happen on family farm issues."

The pork producers council has lobbied against some environmental standards for the hog industry. Its members have fought efforts to give local authorities control over where livestock facilities are built, how owners must control odor, and where or how they dispose of byproducts.

Clinton, however, has called for tightening control over confined-animal feeding operations, known as CAFOs, and says she supports "local control over CAFO-siting decisions." She has said she would seek more federal control over air and water pollution from corporate factory farms.

Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement, which advocates for small farmers, also questioned Clinton's choice to pick Philippi.

"Independent, sustainable hog farmers know NPPC does not stand up for their interests," said Lisa Whelan of the community improvement organization.

Reached by telephone Thursday night after her farm chores, Philippi said: "I think people may be blending the policy of a national organization with my personal opinions."

The Clinton campaign asked state Rep. Mark Kuhn, a Charles City Democrat who has pushed for local control, to respond on its behalf. Kuhn said he trusts Clinton to be true to her word in bringing prosperity to rural America.


This was scrubbed from the rewrite of this article (in bold):

Klicker said that because Clinton picked Philippi, he doesn't believe the candidate when she says she will champion small farms if she is elected president.

"I'm just very disappointed that Hillary would turn her back on us like this," said Klicker, who said he is unsure whom he will caucus for but is leaning toward Democrat Joe Biden. "She says she'll do one thing, yet when you surround yourself with people who are against the rest of us, we can't expect anything good to happen on family farm issues."


The pork producers council has lobbied against some environmental standards for the hog industry. Its members have fought what's known as local control, which would give local authorities control over where livestock facility construction, how owners must control odor, or where or how they dispose of bi-products.

That"s the opposite of Clinton's stance. Clinton has called for tightening control over confined-animal feeding operations, known as CAFOs, and says she supports local local control over CAFO siting decisions. She has said she would seek more federal government control over air and water pollution from corporate factory farms.

Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement, which advocates for small farmers, also questions Clinton's choice to pick Philippi, who was the mouthpiece for the hog factory industry during her time as National Pork Producers Council president.

"Independent, sustainable hog farmers know NPPC does not stand up for their interests", said Lisa Whelan of the community improvement organization.

When Philippi was asked Thursday if she is personally opposed to local control efforts and government regulations of CAFOs, she said: "That's the opinion of some. I think that"s probably one of the misconceptions I don't mean to avoid your answer, but I don't want something that's going to be adversarial for the campaign. "

As council president, Philippi testified against requiring fruit, vegetables and meat producers to label the food's untry of origin so that consumers could make better decisions about what to buy. Clinton often hails this as a much-needed idea.

In October, Philippi publicly criticized the federal farm bill, saying the legislation would make the U.S. pork industry less competitive globally.

And she has been vocal in her opposition of ethanol subsidies, records show. She explained Thursday that her personal opinion is that the subsidies are not necessary, partly because they raise the price of feed corn for her animals.

Klicker remains unconvinced. "It' inconsistent for a pro-small farm politician to choose a confined-animal feeding operation owner like Philippi to be the face on her rural campaign, and to possibly influence policy in the future," he said.

Confined-animal feeding operation owners well-run facilities are a safe, efficient way to raise livestock and compete in the world market. But some Iowans like Klicker believe the facilities foul the air and the water, reduce neighbors' property values, and drive small farmers out of business.

"It' a terrible example for Hillary to set. It' politics at its worst," he said. "You pick someone to get a few more votes, someone who is actually the enemy of those who have been supporting you all along."


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071229/NEWS09/712290321/1001/NEWS



I especially loved this scrubbed quote from the Agribusiness exec Philippi:

I don't mean to avoid your answer, but I don't want something that's going to be adversarial for the campaign.

How stupid does Hillary's new co-Chair think farmers are??

Please recommend if you think it is wrong for the Des Moines Register to revise history by cleaning up this campaign report of a huge Clinton betrayal/blunder in this way.

This really could hurt Hillary in second choices and might even peel some first choices off. Please email to media, thanks. We bloggers don't like scrubbing and stealing elections like this!

UPDATE: Proof from earlier blog posting

Check the date/stamp

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=842

Had trouble pasting the link.
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Leo 9 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:10 PM
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1. Eleven recommendations yet so far no responses?
Either we're speechless or else think what else is there to say. :o
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:49 PM
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8. I think all those recs must be for the pig picture...
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 12:50 PM by Dems Will Win


SO CUTE!!

(they are a drag tho when you pen 2,000 of them together!)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Very cute.
I may not be a vegetarian, but I don't eat Babe.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #9
46. Very cute indeed, and soon
to be very slaughtered :(

I'm not quite at vegetarianism either (I'm trying) but mammal meats are right out, and I haven't eaten any pork products in 20+ years
--pigs are so darn intelligent!

Once I can free myself of chicken, I will be an ovo-lactose vegetarian; I'm just not a tofu person. :/
But only ovo if I can raise my own chickens, so I know that they aren't slaughtered when they no longer produce their peak of eggs.

If we use the creatures for products they issue, we also owe them the respect of taking care of them through their natural lives
(and that would include dairy cows & other milk producers too).


Does anyone know, do vegans boycott wool products too? Aren't sheep eventually slaughtered for food, or are they kept through their natural lives donating wool?


Happy New Years everyone!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #46
50. My wife, who is vegan, does.
She sometimes shops at used clothing stores and does buy a piece now and then.

On a business trip to Paris last summer, she bought her first leather shoes in years (boots actually) at a vintage shoe shop.

This may be considered cheating by other vegans, but I have noticed most have their own varying rules.

Recently she started getting goat products (milk, yogurt, cheese) from a local natural foods store. These goat products are organic and the goats are well taken care of.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. Thanks for the info!
I've bought a couple pair of vintage boots the past couple years because my feet do suffer in plastic shoes; mostly I try for fabric shoes which are breathable.
I've felt bad about that, but at least the sacrifice is utilized more rather than the still-good leather just thrown out and more animals slaughtered for fresh leather...

My grandmother left me a fur coat and I'm in a quandary whether to sell it or destroy it.
If I sell it/give it away (but to someone who would otherwise buy one!) perhaps that's one coat/series of pelts that won't have a current demand and will save some animal suffering and lives...

but I suppose there's a controversy about that too.
Nothing is easy in this world :(


Happy New Year!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:16 PM
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2. Jeez! We do NOT need another news manipulator in the WH like we have now!!!
K&R!
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #2
38. Hanging out with the Bush's, they're picking up on tips.
I'd feel sick to my stomach being in the same room as a Bush. Such negativity.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. Yup. And it's not the type of candidate we need.
We need change. REAL change.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:17 PM
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3. Do you have any proof of your claim?
It seems your claim gets lots of recs, yet you offer no proof.
A normal sitution for anti-Clinton DU threads.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:20 PM
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4. Yes here's the link to the Bleeding Heartland blog from a couple days ago
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 12:51 PM by Dems Will Win
Check the date/stamp

http://www.bleedingheartland.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=842


Maybe someone can go into a Web archive site and get the old article
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Des Moines Dem is a respected blogger in Iowa
She can back me up as can the reporter Jennifer I would imagine

Reporter Jennifer Janeczko Jacobs can be reached at (515) 284-8127 or jejacobs@dmreg.com
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. Looks well supported to me.
Names, quotes, attribution, bolding and underlining of the specific elements purged from the "re-write".

There is more than enough here for you to refute the OPs claims with some easy research.
It is your attack on the OP that is a Smear without Substance.....

<Inserting my own substanceless smear>
...a normal situation for Clinton supporters.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. You Clinton supporters are all the same.
Still no proof that there was a copy published with those "purged" lines.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
39. the poster "Demswillwin" is pro-Obama/very anti-Clinton - has anyone seen a screen shot of pre-edit?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #11
55. Hillary should just openly use the Murdoch jet
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. Why not? She openly uses his $MONEY$.




"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:23 PM
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5. K&R. This doesn't surprise me. Its all carefully manipulated.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 12:48 PM
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7. kick
and rec

:kick:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:16 PM
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10. Hmmph
I wish there had been more fire under the register during that last debate. Their actions were absolutely pathetic then.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:32 PM
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12. K&R
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 01:52 PM
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14. Kick to make all aware of what you will get with a Hillary Clinton Administration. n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:12 PM
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15. The National Pork Producers Council and there lobbyists
play hard ball as well as any on k-street and every state that has pork production facilities. these people are just above pig shit when it comes to protecting the environment and small producers. here in illinois we can`t "object" and there`s no real remedy because the state legislators gave them everything they wanted....

there`s nothing finer than driving by a hog confinement facility in the middle of august when it`s 90 degrees with 80% humidity or try living downwind from one...

we know who`s going to be in hillary`s dept of agriculture .... the same old pig shit
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:14 PM
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16. This cannot continue, we cannot go through another 4 years of this type of politics
Change has to come.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:14 PM
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17. Kick
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 02:46 PM
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18. K&R.
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:12 PM
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19. Planted Questions? Scrubbed News?
And people wonder why we don't trust her.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. Yeah, but
The only ones that wonder why are the "Clinton" camp, the rest of America knows why!
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 03:54 PM
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20. Good work.
Clinton is a corporate democrat.

Might as well vote for Joe Lieberman, its the same thing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Agree, and it's very sad that we have a woman behaving in this way ---
it is time for a woman president --- but not this one!!


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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Word!






The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:07 PM
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23. If this is true...
...the initial story, and the scrubbed story need to be packaged and widely circulated in Iowa.

I imagine that other Iowa publications would pick up this story. Or...do the Clintons have
a noose around every Iowa paper?

I know that the Iowa City Press Citizen is a very fair publication. They need to know about this.

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #23
53. The initial story was in the Des Moines Register
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 11:27 AM by Dems Will Win
Circulation about 150,000. Maybe why Hillary is now down to 25% because of it
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:20 PM
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24. Saturday post and link from ariesgem
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3902504

Yeah, this caught my eye, also:
"I don't mean to avoid your answer, but I don't want something that's going to be adversarial for the campaign." Expletives to the nth power!

Just say NO to HRC!

NoFederales
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:22 PM
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25. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. from a readability standpoint never use all caps unless its a title with
a point size of 16-18+ depending on the type set.

In otherwords just don't use them - they are hard to read and actally work against you in the long run.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #29
40. I like all caps and think they are very readable.
It's a matter of preference. There is no rule that applies to everyone.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #40
59. actually there is - ask any trained graphic designer
Its very poor design - typeography 101 -
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-02-08 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. I find it easy to read. Maybe that is because I am extremely
near-sighed.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:27 PM
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26. Reminds me of Bush having his military record scrubbed.
Edited on Mon Dec-31-07 05:29 PM by AtomicKitten
It's nice to have people tidy up after you, eh?

It may be good for partisan (reads hack) politics, but it's bad for truth and transparency in reporting.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:48 PM
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28. Kick this sucker all the way to market!!!
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 05:58 PM
Response to Original message
30. K&R. We don't need four more years of this.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. True that
The Clinton/Penn partnership is shaping up to be everything we've found repugnant in the */Rove partnership.
this deserves a K&R, not that it will change the minds of the mindless hillarybots, but perhaps it will discourage any undecideds...
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Well said.
Exactly. The Clinton/Pann, Clinton/Murdoch, as well as Clinton/Lieberman are cause for concern. She is so indebted to corporate America and the military industrial complex. How could she do otherwise than to serve them as President? She has proven that she is blindly ambitious and need to invite big money for help so she can overpower her rivals to the WH. No, HC is not ready for prime time.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 07:29 PM
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32. Thanks for this post, man!
Anyone who pressures the media to retract the truth can't be in charge of the country.

That's my standard anyway.

Hillary should go back to Faux Snooze and tell Edie how much she likes Brian now that he admits his hair is black!

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 07:30 PM
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33. Thanks for this post, man!
Anyone who pressures the media to retract the truth can't be in charge of the country.

That's my standard anyway.

Hillary should go back to Faux Snooze and tell Edie how much she likes Brian now that he admits his hair is black!

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:03 PM
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35. I'm beginning to feel the same way about HRC supporters as I did about W supporters in 2004.
They are betraying the rest of us to the tender mercies of corporatism and Big Money Lobbyists because they refuse to see the ugly reality beneath the shiny happy bullshit surface.

If Clinton gets the nomination I will hold them in the same contempt as I do bush* voters.

sw
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 08:07 PM
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36. Kick
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-31-07 11:14 PM
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37. Oh well. In other news, Clinton supporters think she's just great.
Really great.

And she'll be really great for the country. Because she's just the best.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #37
42. And she'll be just SUPER for the small farmers,
at least according to Agri-business.

Why can't we just be happy?
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 03:21 AM
Response to Original message
43. Why aren't these farmers as angry at Thomas Dorr, the undersecretary of agriculture?
Edited on Tue Jan-01-08 03:24 AM by Elspeth
He's a son of a corporate farm concern and a Bushbot asshole to boot.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 09:39 AM
Response to Reply #43
47. Who's to say they are not?
I was born in IA and have many relatives still living there. A few of them still work the family farm. So I will ask my aunt if she is happy with him I know she is not happy with bush.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. Well they should be unhappy with the Bush appointees
Harumph.
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jonnyra Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 05:23 AM
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44. This is why it has to be
either Edwards or Kucinich. They are the only candidates speaking forcefully against the corporate takeover of America. I mean does this really surprise anyone here? Is anyone really surprised that Clinton is coddling big agriculture? Sure dont surpise me.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 07:54 AM
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45. I don't know why Hillary supporters can't see she's a corportist!
It's not like there isn't TONS of evidence to support the charge. It's still time to change your vote! At least just think about it!
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 09:56 AM
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48. This sounds like the work of Mark Penn
is one of her top adviser's. He is of Rove mentality, and makes me wonder why Clinton uses him. His "day job" is union busting. Yep that's supporting the working class.

"Klicker said that because Clinton picked Philippi, he doesn't believe the candidate when she says she will champion small farms if she is elected president."


The same feelings I have regarding Penn and the working class.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 10:03 AM
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49. Please Read this entire article from the Online Journal
I'm posting an excerpt from the Online Journal article below that pertains to this Des Moines paper story concerning Hillary, but please read the rest of the article as well...

The article is titled: Happy New Year, people

<Excerpt>....what some people can do, others can stop.

How? Clearly not by tawdry electoral rituals. I might as well go on record as saying that the US election is in the bag. It will be Hillary. The rest of the political circus animals are mere distractions -- some deliberately unelectable. She has been shown the agenda; she has agreed to do it. Moreover she’s dying to do it. She is it: war and more war. The other party has blown it for the time being.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2790.shtml

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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 10:38 AM
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51. Seeing as how it's in the bag, I guess hillary supporters don't have
to go and vote also noting that the fix must be in place making everbody's vote void if not for hillary. If anybody is unelectable, it is hillary as she fervently avoids answering REAL questions on REAL issues while in support of this administration's wars and pro-corporate stances right down to the waining away of our rights.
Welcome to DU, but try not to stinkup the place.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 11:39 AM
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54. Hillary, George W. Bush's firm supporter as she claims this president has failed?
Hillary is into invading Iraq- Iran, I mean, get a bloody clue Americans...
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-01-08 10:58 AM
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52. that was very powerful
that should be posted so everyone can see. i feel encouraged and more people need to feel that.
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