Which of the "second tier" candidates would you most want to well in Iowa and NH?

[MethuenProgressive]

The MSM has decided it's all about Clinton v Obama.
Subtracting those two, which of "the others" would you support?

[IndianaJones]

1. Edwards is second tier? He has a decent shot at winning IA. nt.

[Faygo Kid]

2. Agreed. Edwards should not be on this list.

Can't really vote under the circumstances.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. Please read post #5

Good luck to your candidate.

[MethuenProgressive]

5. I agree he has a shot - but as I say, the MSM has decided it's Hillary v Obama,

hence the poll - to allow DU Edwards supporter to show how much support he has here.

[goddess40]

49. That's the problem "the MSM is picking the candidates"

I hate the way this country runs the primaries. The MSM, which we know is right wing, is allowed to push certain candidates. Then we let anyone vote so we get cross overs voters who try to put the most 'beatable' in the running.

[havocmom]

9. Yep, top three are the top tier everywhere but this poll

:wtf:

[MethuenProgressive]

11. You'd think Edwards would poll higher than 9% in a DU poll without Clinton & Obama, wouldn't you?

Maybe the MSM is right?

[MethuenProgressive]

15. Edwards is up to 12%!

:kick:

[asdjrocky]

29. Most Edwards supporters are too smart to vote in your BS poll.

And most Edwards supporters don't believe your BS either.

[havocmom]

43. Nope, I voted Biden, figuring Edwards wasn't on the poll

Then I read the rest of the names and was pissed at myself. Edwards on that list probably fooled other fools like me too.

MSM right? :rofl: NOT lately.

[alteredstate]

52. Edwards shouldn't be on the list. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

54. Please read post #5 and the OP.

[Little Star]

59. No. I wouldn't think he would do better in this silly poll because

DU loves the under dog and you put him in a spot where the under dog has a chance. I bet if you put Obama or Hillary, where you put Edwards, DU would still go Biden, Kuch, etc. Not a good way to take a DU poll imho. In fact if most DUers had their true first choice it would be Kuch all alone in the upper place I'd be willing to bet.

[MethuenProgressive]

63. This silly poll shows that among those *not Obama/Clinton* Biden is the clear top choice.

The MSM says the race is between Obama and Clinton, so minus those two a poll *should* show who the real DU third choice is. And this silly poll shows it's certainly not Edwards.

[Seabiscuit]

60. I'm boycotting any poll that lists Edwards as "second tier". Either posted by

a Hillbot or a Rosanne Rossanna-Danna Obama-Mama.

You want to know who's "second tier"?

Anyone whose name isn't Edwards:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3880163&mesg_id=3880163

[MethuenProgressive]

64. See post 5, seabiscuit.

[Seabiscuit]

65. I saw it and it's bullshit.

This poll is nothing but a demented ploy to guarantee a low vote tally for Edwards.

Because as an Edwards supporter, I almost got sucked in to vote for Kucinich or someone else, as other Edwards supporters do. Those who don't notice Edwards' name on the list go ahead and vote for someone else. Others like me, who notice Edwards in this "second tier" poll get offended and boycott the poll. Result: a guaranteed low poll score for Edwards.

Shame on you.

[MethuenProgressive]

66. You vote in polls without reading them, so the polls you don't read are "bullshit"?

The OP clearly states:
"The MSM has decided it's all about Clinton v Obama.
Subtracting those two, which of "the others" would you support?"

And you cry that was a
"demented ploy to guarantee a low vote tally for Edwards"?

The built-in-paranoia of the Edwards campaign is brightly lit, once again.

[Name removed]

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[bklyncowgirl]

3. Richardson--I have to applaud his courage for calling on Musharraf to step down

He's right, Musharraf has been a disaster and the news coming out of Pakistan is making him look increasingly like an accomplice if not the mastermind behind Bhutto's death. Unfortunately, being right when the foreign policy establishment is wrong, is not helpful in a presidential campaign. Ask Howard Dean.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. His statement stood head and shoulders above the 'playing safe' of the other Dems.

link to his statement on her passing, and what he had to say back in November:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3892896#3897276

[ElizabethDC]

4. Biden. He's the only candidate other than Hillary who I think I could get really excited about

I wish him well.

[Donnachaidh]

8. The MSM has *decuded*? And you bought it?

:rofl: :rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

10. Please read post #5, Donna

:hi:

[sellitman]

12. Edwards is 2nd tier?

According you maybe.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. Please read post #5 sellit

Good luck to your candidate!

[nyc 4 Biden]

14. The OP . . .

never mentioned tiers. He took out the two frontrunners. If you don't like the poll start your own without JE. What's the big deal?

[nyc 4 Biden]

34. oops my bad!

[MethuenProgressive]

16. Biden 28, Kucinich 10, Edwards 7, Richardson and Dodd 4 each.

Is the MSM right about Edwards not being in the top tier?

[MethuenProgressive]

17. Richardson's up to 9%!! Please k&r this poll!

www.thedifferenceoniraq.com < one more reason to back Bill!

[Adelante]

18. Fun poll

You devil, you :evilgrin:

[MethuenProgressive]

19. If the MSM's right re Clinton v Obama, and DU says Biden 52%, Kucinich 19%, then Edwards 14%...

Well, one could draw a conclusion, couldn't one?

[BringBigDogBack]

20. Biden or the Kooch.

[asdjrocky]

21. What a joke-

Calling Edwards second tier.

[MethuenProgressive]

22. Please read post #5 and then vote for your candidate, asdjrocky

Good luck to your candidate.
edit: and hey, another thread says your guy is in second place in Iowa!

[asdjrocky]

23. I stand by my words-

The OP is a joke. And by the way, my guy is doing just fine.

[MethuenProgressive]

26. " The MSM has decided it's all about Clinton v Obama. " is a joke to you?

OK... :shrug:

[asdjrocky]

28. No-

I thought I made myself clear- you are a joke to me. You, and people that do the transparent things that you do.

[alteredstate]

53. I agree.

What a fucked-up poll.

[Froward69]

27. Doing just fine

in a world of his very own. I would respect Edwards more if would just come out and wear that plaid sports jacket... from the used car lot.

[JohnLocke]

30. Sickening.

Jeebus, you people never quit.

[asdjrocky]

31. Aren't you a little sweetheart.

[Eurobabe]

24. Biden. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

25. 2 hrs in: Biden 35, Kucinich 13, Edwards 9, Dodd 6, Richardson 5

Go Joe!

[MethuenProgressive]

33. 3 hrs in: Biden 42, Kucinich 16, Edwards 10, Dodd 7, Richardson 6, Gravel 3

Go Joe!

[Beaverhausen]

32. Dodd

He stood up last week in the Senate when no one else would. He also was great on Countdown last night. I think he'd make a great VP.

[jillan]

35. Dodd would be fine with me!

[MethuenProgressive]

37. Dodd's excellent work re FISA put him in my top two.

He's a fine example of what Democrats stand for.

[jillan]

38. My respect for Dodd begins with the FMLA.

My family had a horrible year in 2006, and I thanked him everyday for that bill.

[MethuenProgressive]

39. Absolutely. He's been on the working guy's side for decades.

:thumbsup:

[jillan]

40. He's great on foreign relations and domestic issues.

WHY isn't he gaining momentum?

He also does excellent at the debates. I always feel that he is one of the winners of the debates, yet he never gets coverage.

Very frustrating.

if Biden wasn't running (I've been a Biden fan for years) I would be all about Dodd. I will never miss an opportunity to praise Dodd.

There is still time.
Of all the Dem candidates, it was Dodd that Olbermann chose to have on last nite. That should help.

[Kucinich4America]

36. Kucinich and Richardson

Dennis, because he is correct on the issues.

Bill, because as a governor, he might well be the TRUE "electable" candidate.

[MethuenProgressive]

41. "Bill, because as a governor, he might well be the TRUE "electable" candidate. "

We could do worse than another governor named Bill! :hi:

[MethuenProgressive]

42. 6 hrs on: Biden 57, Kucinich 20, Edwards 12, Dodd & Richardson 8, Gravel 3

Biden sure has strong DU support!

[skipos]

44. J O E B I D E N ! ! ! nt

[Adelante]

45. Whoa, Joe's still way out front

This is one of the best DU polls ever - really interesting for a change.

[bigwillq]

46. DK!

But anyone of them are better than the so-called "top tier"

[Cameron27]

47. Biden

[MethuenProgressive]

48. One day's result: Biden 65, Kucinich 21, Edwards 14, Richardson 11, Dodd 9, Gravel 4

Richardson is closing in on Edwards!!
:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

50. Biden 67, Kucinich 23, Edwards 14, Richardson 11, Dodd 10, Gravel 4

36 Hours in, Richardson & Dodd have almost caught Edwards!

[MethuenProgressive]

51. Edwards: Only 14 of 140+ votes.

:shrug:

[rucky]

55. I would love to see a complete 180

but that's not going to happen.

[MethuenProgressive]

56. 48 hrs: Biden 75, Kucinich 25, Edwards 15, Richardson 13, Dodd 11, Gravel 4

Bill Richardson has almost overtaken Edwards!!

[skipos]

57. BIDEN! nt

[MethuenProgressive]

58. Biden at 53%, and Edwards at a mere 10%, are interesting results.

Go Joe!
Biden/Richardson??

[Steely_Dan]

61. What Does This Poll Tell Us?

It states, without a doubt, that Joe Biden is a candidate that SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE TOP TIER. The MSM is selecting our next President. Don't let this happen. Help Joe on January 1st.

-P

[MethuenProgressive]

62. I agree completely, SD.

The *lack* of DU support for Edwards is very telling, too.

[ribrepin]

67. Joe Biden

Good man and he can deliver a zinger like no one else.

In war time, I think the commander-in-chief should have their children serve in the military and Joe's the only democratic candidate with a child in the military...FDR wouldn't have dared let his children out of military service. Granted, a President's child won't be in the front lines, but the President can show leadership by having his children serve.

Does anyone know how to get a Biden bumper sticker?

[MethuenProgressive]

69. Are you from a primary state? If not try joebiden.com

Most candidate sites sell stuff.

[ribrepin]

73. I couldn't find any link on Biden's site for bumper stickers

but Gately sent me a link to Cafe Press for Biden bumper stickers.

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/biden/-/c_674/fpt_____D___G______P___b7_a2_________a3

[MethuenProgressive]

75. Very cool link - thanks, Gately!

:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

68. Biden 91, Kucinich 29, Edwards 17, Richardson 13, Dodd 11, Gravel 4

Poll result (165 votes)
Biden (91 votes, 55%)
Dodd (11 votes, 7%)
Edwards (17 votes, 10%)
Kucinich (29 votes, 18%)
Richardson (13 votes, 8%)
Gravel (4 votes, 2%)
:kick:

[Infinite Hope]

71. Biden. Edwards isn't second-tier. There isn't a competant political analyst that would consider him

less than first tier. Get a clue.

[gateley]

72. Biden. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

74. Biden 102, Kucinich 31, Edwards 18, Richardson 14, Dodd 11, Gravel 4

The poll question from the OP:

The MSM has decided it's all about Clinton v Obama.
Subtracting those two, which of "the others" would you support?

Poll result as of 11AM 21/31/07
(180 votes)
Biden (102 votes, 57%) Vote
Dodd (11 votes, 6%) Vote
Edwards (18 votes, 10%) Vote
Kucinich (31 votes, 17%) Vote
Richardson (14 votes, 8%) Vote
Gravel (4 votes, 2%) Vote

[MethuenProgressive]

76. Joe Biden! With 56% percent of the DU vote!!

The MSM has decided it's all about Clinton v Obama.
Subtracting those two, which of "the others" would you support?

106 votes for Joe!

[skipos]

77. Great numbers of BIDEN! nt

[MethuenProgressive]

78. New Years Eve Update: Biden 103, Kucinich 34, Edwards 19, Richardson 14, Dodd 11, Gravel 4

Poll result (185 votes)
Biden (103 votes, 56%) Vote
Dodd (11 votes, 6%) Vote
Edwards (19 votes, 10%) Vote
Kucinich (34 votes, 18%) Vote
Richardson (14 votes, 8%) Vote
Gravel (4 votes, 2%)
:kick:

[MethuenProgressive]

79. Biden gets 53% of DU support - Kucinich 19%, Edwards, 11, Richardson 8%.

Biden (103 votes, 55%) Vote
Dodd (11 votes, 6%) Vote
Edwards (20 votes, 11%) Vote
Kucinich (35 votes, 19%) Vote
Richardson (15 votes, 8%) Vote
Gravel (4 votes, 2%)