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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 11:54 PM
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NY Times retracts story about Ron Paul having white supremacist connections
December 26, 2007, 8:24 pm
Editors’ Note: The Ron Paul Vid-Lash
By The New York Times


A post in The Medium that appeared on Monday about the Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul and his purported adoption by white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The original post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The original post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul.

http://themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/editors-note-the-ron-paul-vid-lash/

Smearing Ron Paul
Monday, December 24th, 2007 in News by Justin Raimondo| Comment |


The Smear Bund never rests — not even on Christmas. Especially not on Christmas. And they’ve been really active lately, what with Ron Paul gaining in the polls and in the hearts and minds of a growing number of young people: we can’t have that! I’ve waded through the muck and mire, so you don’t have to — go here to read a full accounting.

One would think that the sheer counterintuitiveness of the proposition that the country’s leading libertarian politician is a Nazi sympathizer would deter the Smear Brigade from trying to pull that one off — but no. From the left-leaning cyber-lair of “Orcinus,” where the professional “extremist”-hunter David Neiwert (a kind of low-budget John Roy Carlson) holds court, to the supposedly opposite end of the spectrum over at “Stormfront,” where the “Commander” of the American National Socialist Workers Party pontificates, the hue and cry is going up: Paul is a Nazi!

This morning the New York Times took up this theme, with a vicious taunt coming out of the mouth of Virginia Heffernan, who repeats the laughable accusations of an admitted Nazi as indisputable fact. Paul “seems to have Nazi troubles, as in they’re saying he’s one of them,” she gloats — and hails a “vid-lash” against Ron Paul. Yeah, the Paul supporters have so far dominated Youtube and the internet in general, where their movement was born, but we’ll show them: Heffernan posts a video by one Mike Fluggenock, a shrill leftist propganda short that focuses not on Paul’s positions but on two or three individuals in a crowd of some 5,000 at a rally in Philadelphia.

What’s interesting about Senor Fluggenock, however, isn’t his skills as a film-maker, or even as a propagandist, but the fact that he was one of six American “artists” to make contributions to Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust cartoon contest. Here it is.

Gee, I don’t wonder that Fluggenock’s entry didn’t place. That is kind of heavy-handed, even for the Iranians. After all, is the evil of the Holocaust really equivalent to the admittedly brutal Israeli occupation? I haven’t noticed the Israelis killing 6 million Palestinians in extermination chambers, but I’m sure this is just an oversight on my part. What I couldn’t help noticing, however, is that Fluggenock travels in some of the same circles as Bill White, the neo-Nazi “Commander” and source of the charge that Paul is a secret “white nationalist. DC Indymedia, where Fluggenock is part of of the “editorial collective, seems to have it’s own Nazi problem. DC Indymedia has also been promoting White’s story. Hmmmmm …..

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/12/24/smearing-ron-paul/
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:46 AM
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1. Why not refute Ron Paul on the positions that he clearly holds?
Why does the Ron Paul debate always degenerate into this dishonest racism crap? I doubt very much that Ron Paul thinks of himself as a racist. The honest argument would be to explain why his policies are not fair to minorities if this be the case.

Further the people that really love this guy. The writers at www.kitco.com are not racist, and certainly their writings are not racist.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 01:23 AM
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2. Did Bull Connor think himself a racist, does David Duke
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:56 AM
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6. Short answer, yes
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:58 PM
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12. I know Duke doesn't as he has said as much
I admit to not knowing about Conner
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:09 AM
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3. I wished the Times made as good a job when they attack progressives with misleading charges...
:sarcasm:

Ron Paul think that Abraham Lincoln was wrong and that the South would eventually have stopped slavery on its own... That is all I need to know about him. Not that it would not have been a good thing if the Civil War butchery could have been avoided, but because the idea that black people had to wait a little longer until Southerner came around. We all know that it took another century after slavery was abolished before the Civil Right Act.

So, good for the Times to check its sources, even a little bit too late, but Ron Paul does not strike me as being that far from white supremacists.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 08:50 AM
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4. Ron Paul still has plenty of white supremacist connections
Note that one of the two retractions was that the founder of Stormfront donated money, not Stormfront itself. Boy, that really clears Paul. Needless to say, Paul has adamantly refused to return the donation. Won't accept Medicare money, will accept white supremacist money. What a guy.

The Bill White thing is, however, a bit overblown - but just a bit. If you do some digging, White is probably referring to the Robert Taft Club and grossly exaggerating his role in the meetings. That said, the Robert Taft Club is run by president Marcus Epstein, who writes a column for VDARE, which the SPLC has termed a hate site. One look at it will tell you it is. The Taft Club regularly hosts speakers from American Renaissance and the League of the South, both white nationalism organizations. Earlier this year, they hosted two speakers from Europe, both party leaders of Vlaams Belang, a Belgian political party which is Fascist. Not "fascist" as in G. W. Bush, but "Fascist" as in party was founded by a Belgian leader who rounded up Jews during WWII and delivered them to concentration camps. "Fascist" as in their party platform calling for amnesty for Nazi collaborators. (No amnesty for illegal immigrants, however. That would be wrong.)

Ron Paul accepted an invitation from the Robert Taft Club ans spoke to them in October.

You can tell a lot about a person by the company he keeps.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 11:08 AM
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5. What about the people at Kitco?
Are they racists? They love Ron Paul.

Ron Paul raises issues that could use discussion. Why the dishonest character assassination?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 12:58 PM
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7. What's dishonest??
Do you think that Trent Lott should have been criticized for speaking to the Council of Conservative Citizens?

Same freakin' difference.

The issues are the issues. Feel free to debate issues. Supporting racists just because they happen to bring up issues that you think merit discussion is, however, bizarre.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:01 PM
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8. "Ron Paul raises issues that could use discussion"
Edited on Fri Dec-28-07 02:01 PM by FredScuttle
I agree:

Issue #1: Why does Ron Paul oppose Brown v. Board of Education?

Issue #2: Why does Ron Paul oppose the Civil Rights Act?

Issue #3: Why won't Ron Paul give back the donations his campaign has received from white supremacist organizations?

Issue #4: Why did Ron Paul put his name on a byline of an article of his newsletter in the early 90's that called blacks "criminals"?

Issue #5: Why is it so hard for some people to understand that Ron Paul is a racist...or, at best, courts and embraces the support of racists?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:05 PM
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9. Heh
:thumbsup:
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:23 PM
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10. Your issues 1 and 2 are legitimate
Why is it so hard for people to see that your issues 3,4 and 5 are dishonest?
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 02:33 PM
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11. Has Ron Paul returned the donation he received from the Stormfront nazi?
Are you claiming his name wasn't on the byline of the article in his "Ron Paul Political Survival Report" in 1992 that called blacks "criminals"?

Now who's being dishonest?
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