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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:12 PM
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Obama: "Political analysts and historians see a parallel with John F. Kennedy."
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 05:09 PM by ClarkUSA
CONCORD, N.H. - Barack Obama defines himself on the campaign trail as... the Democrat who has transcended the battles of the Baby Boom
generation... Obama's intellectual confidence, which has propelled his political career, is a hallmark of his campaign identity, a notable contrast
to the resume-boasting of Hillary Clinton and the fiery populism of John Edwards - a contrast that Edwards himself tried to draw in the last few
days by suggesting that Obama was too "academic" to win.

"An intellectual is by definition someone who questions and doesn't take assumptions at their face value, and I think that's one of the things
that's inspiring about the guy," said Joel Barkan, professor emeritus at the University of Iowa and a senior associate at the Center for Strategic
and International Studies in Washington. This element of Obama's character is evident in his embrace of nuance and rejection of simplistic
either-or choices; in his academic analysis of policy and strategy; and in his impatience with what he deems foolish press inquiries and
attacks by opponents. Obama's intellectualism appeals to voters who consider it an elixir to what they see as President Bush's willful
ignorance. "The guy's got a brain," said Cindy Kleeman, a 54-year-old clothing business owner from Bedford, N.H., who is still undecided.

<snip>

Political analysts and historians see a parallel with John F. Kennedy, whose melding of Harvard-caliber intellect with Irish Catholic street
credibility allowed him to inspire and lead the country without appearing aloof. They see Obama more like Kennedy than Adlai Stevenson,
whose presidential campaigns in 1952 and 1956 faltered partly because he was seen more as an egghead than leader... Obama's confidence
in his views stems in part from his prescience on the Iraq war, the outcome of which he largely predicted in a 2002 address. He was proud
enough of the speech to recently rerecord its best lines for a TV ad. "I am not opposed to all wars," he said in the speech. "I'm opposed to
dumb wars."

Richard Epstein, a prominent conservative who taught with Obama at the University of Chicago, said he likes Obama but rejects the suggestion
that he is an intellectual, arguing that he merely mimics an intellectual's mannerisms.

"It's not a title that's an honorific," Epstein said. "He's an activist."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/25/law_professor_obama_embraces_nuance_on_trail/?page=1


Political analysts and historians are not the only ones who see parallels between Obama and JFK. For those inevitable naysayers, I present the
following:

Listen to longtime JFK aide and speechwriter Ted Sorenson as he compares Obama's candidacy to Kennedy's 50 years ago in this Charlie
Rose inteview where he also endorses Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReDCmk2c2g8

Here is another video of Sorenson talking about why he thinks Obama is the best candidate for president. He feels what counts most in a
president is not experience but judgment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hupgC1d-St8

Former US Senator Harris Wofford (D-PA), helped to launch the Peace Corps under the Kennedy Administration and played a key role in crafting
legislation that led to AmeriCorps. He has also endorsed Obama. Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rUIkM-GjKU&NR=1


I agree with Ted Sorenson and Harris Wofford in feeling that judgment is a more important trait than experience in a president. While running
for the Senate in October 2002, Barack Obama delivered a remarkable speech on 2 October 2002 at the Federal Plaza in Chicago, just nine days
prior to that historic and ill-fated Senate vote which passed IWR. Here is but a sample of what Obama said:

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt
by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down
our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a
drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the
Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Complete speech: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/warspeech.pdf


Fired Up! Ready To Go! Gobama!! :applause:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:15 PM
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1. JFK was no Diva.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:17 PM
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2. :)
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:44 PM
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7. Wealthy political family, 'While England Slept', WW2 decorated vet, Pulitzer Prize...
...famously ducked an historic vote while in the US Senate.
Well, the last part...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 05:03 PM
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10. Watch the videos. Sen. Harris Wofford and Ted Sorenson can spell out the similarities for you
:-)
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:08 PM
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17. They both married smart, beautiful women too...
But other paralles are thin, for me anyway.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:56 PM
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18. Really like your holiday graphic, wlucinda!
:hi:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:01 PM
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19. Thanks! I wanted to give them reindeer antlers...but I couldn't find good ones.
:)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 10:47 PM
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25. Sorenson: "Mr Kennedy reached the hearts of voters. And so does Obama."
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 11:07 PM by ClarkUSA
“Both Kennedy and Obama have fantastically winning smiles and I might say both are very relaxed in front of an audience and on
television," he said in an interview. "They don’t shout into a microphone, they talk. The principles, the values Obama and Kennedy
are enunciating are not five-point plans for new health care programmes, which is more Hillary's style." The Kennedy legacy and
the aura of Camelot have been powerful but largely unspoken themes underpinning the campaign of Mr Obama, another charismatic
Harvard alumnus heralding a new era in politics. Mr Kennedy broke down the barrier of becoming the first Roman Catholic president
while Mr Obama is vying to become the first black occupant of the Oval Office. Just as the Massachusetts senator was dismissed by
the party hierarchy because of his age and unconventional background, Mr Obama, too, is being branded an also-ran... More pointedly,
the Democratic veteran expressed what few senior party figures are prepared to do publicly — the conviction that Mrs Clinton will
lose a general election and in practice is not much different from President George W Bush. When asked about her similarities to
Bill Clinton, Mr Sorensen said that her election would be "a continuation of the Clinton-Bush 20 years" and business as usual in
Washington.

“She has the same tendency to triangulate, as he called it, she has the same ability to equivocate, to vacillate, to imitate what the
Republicans are doing and saying.” He vehemently rejected the contention, driven home relentlessly by the Clinton campaign, that
Mr Obama lacks the experience to be president. "He has great judgment, which he has demonstrated in his position against the Iraq
war even before it started. Judgment is the single most important criterion for selecting a president. At the time of the <1962> Cuban
missile crisis, Kennedy's powers of judgment were tested as no president has ever been tested. Fortunately for all of us, he really
came up with the right answers. He was 45. Obama's 46 so he's an old geezer." Mr Sorensen's eyes are now failing him but when
he is at an Obama rally the message, mannerisms and atmosphere make it seem like the 1960 campaign once again.

"I've heard a lot of high pitched shrieks of approval, which I assume were coming from young women," he said. "I'm told the
phenomenon known as leapers has returned. "In Kennedy's case, along the motorcade route young women would levitate
themselves to be able to see over the heads of taller people as he was driven by. There was excitement and enthusiasm that
went into that leap as well as his good looks. It's interesting they report leaper sightings when Obama appears." But perhaps
the thing that most makes Mr Obama, the first-term Illinois senator, "on track" to become the new Mr Kennedy is his
determination to transform American politics.

"There's a sense in this country that Washington badly needs to be changed. The election of Obama will not only change the
players in Washington, it'll change the game itself." The Clintons, he said, were Washington insiders who wanted to maintain
the status quo and who had not brought honour to the White House. “I’m not accusing Clinton of being lawless. He was
impeached for trivial reasons. But I don’t think that it was the noblest time for the White House when the Lincoln bedroom
was rented out to donors and pardons were being issued to some truly dreadful people.” He argued that the former First Lady
would be defeated in a presidential fight with a Republican candidate like Rudy Giuliani. "She's got everything going for her
but a lot of people just don't like her. I'm tired of losing. We've had these candidates who give those five-point programmes,
who sound like they are lecturing at MIT or trying to convince the New York Times board of editors. That doesn't reach the
hearts of the voters. Mr Kennedy reached the hearts of voters. And so does Obama."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/12/wobama112.xml


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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 11:54 PM
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28. The historic vote he missed is one that his main opponent voted the wrong way on....
I'll take a calculated no-vote to a calculated wrong vote any day.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:27 PM
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3. Uh huh. What's your point?
Notice that this is a positive thread about Obama.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 12:17 AM
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30. Did JFK take corporate money too??
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 12:18 AM by AmBlue
just askin'
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 12:32 AM
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31. Before you hit and run, WTF are you talking about and who do you support? Add source links, too.
just askin'
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:35 PM
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4. Sorenson's parallels with 1960 and JFK are very thoughtful
He specifies that Obama the candidate is very similar to JFK the candidate, both in terms of what their limitations were supposed to have been and the mood of the country after eight years of lateral movement under a Republican Administration. He has no strong views about Obama compared with JFK personally, which is what people who don't take the time to think (or listen...see above) get hung up on.
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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:37 PM
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5. Now Barack Is JFK, Tomorrow He'll Be Jesus Christ
This crap is just hilarious. Even Bush has more political and foreign affairs knowledge than Barack Hussein! LMAO!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:44 PM
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6. That reminds me, certain posters should be banned on Christmas
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phillyliberal Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:53 PM
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8. please
only parallels i see are that they are both highly intelligent, both Harvard grads, and have opened and will continue to open new opportunities for others in the future of public service.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 04:54 PM
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9. Watch the Sorenson clip
He's an even more esteemed observer of American political life than you.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 05:12 PM
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12. So glad you're "back" to elevate the political discourse on this board back into the
racist, flamebaiting crap we've been dealing with for weeks now. Enjoy yourself, no one else will.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:01 PM
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15. Not too surprising that you are a big fan of the chimp..
Your lame-ass posts indicate a serious lack of judgement.:smoke:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 05:10 PM
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11. and political analysts are SO well known for being UNBIASED
Nice spin there toots. :rofl:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 05:23 PM
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13. Thanks for your totally unbiased opinion and the gratuitous insult. Merry Christmas to you, too!
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 05:29 PM by ClarkUSA
:hi:
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 06:25 PM
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14. Everybody talks about JFK he couldn't get the democratic nomination this day in time because....
he was a conservative democrate
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 08:08 PM
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16. These days, NIXON is a liberal Democrat
look at what he was supporting in the late 60s/early 70s

* government-funded, single-payer universal health care
* a minimum cash subsidy for the impovershed
* a "secret plan" to end an unpopular war started by the previous president

Considering the serious lack of balls among most of the Democratic candidates, Nixon looks like a breath of fresh air.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 10:05 PM
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24. WTF?? Links to what you're claiming Nixon was supporting?
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 10:14 PM by ClarkUSA
I have serious doubts as to what you're saying, but I'm willing to hear you out.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:09 AM
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33. It's not that hard to find on the intartubes
Google "Nixon Universal Healthcare", and you'll find plenty of articles describing a plan he proposed in 1974 that is eerily similar to that of Hillary Clinton. Which is sad, because he co-sponsored a true single-payer universal coverage bill in 1947, when he was a congressman from CA.

Google "Nixon Welfare Reform" and you'll find a plethora of articles about his 1969 efforts that are almost a carbon copy of what Bill Clinton did in the 1990s.

Google "Nixon Vietnam Secret Plan" and you'll find... aw, just Google it, and you'll find out.


Today's "centrist" Democrats are yesterday's mainstream Republicans.


NIXON '08
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:08 PM
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20. Young, handsome, intelligent, beautiful wives
and that is about it.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:36 PM
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21. Oh, and Ethel Kennedy thinks Obama is like RFK and endorses him for president
Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Bobby Kennedy, told CBS station WBBM-TV that she would support Obama in a presidential run. Many people
often compare Obama with Kennedy.

Kennedy said she thinks Obama should run for president. When asked why, she said, while walking next to Obama, "... Because he's
got it all."

http://estevancarlos.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/04/507048-widow-of-bobby-kennedy-endorses-obama


Ethel also said:

"I think he feels it. He feels it just like Bobby did," Ethel Kennedy said, comparing her late husband's quest for social justice to Obama's.
"He has the passion in his heart. He's not selling you. It's just him." Ethel Kennedy invited Obama to deliver the keynote address at a
ceremony commemorating the 80th birthday of Robert F. Kennedy. She said she had carefully followed the career of the Illinois senator,
whom she referred to as "our next president."

http://www.draftobama.org/celebrities
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phillyliberal Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:40 PM
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22. bobby most reminds me
of john edwards. for a variety of reasons- mostly being his looks... but most importantly his platform and desire to help the poor in America. John is the first presidential candidate to make poverty his biggest campaign issue since Bobby..

its very impressive and I am happy somebody has attempted to pickup where RFK left off...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:45 PM
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23. Understandable of you and others to think so, of course.
Edited on Tue Dec-25-07 09:49 PM by ClarkUSA
However, it is noteworthy that Bobby's widow thinks so highly of Obama that she likens him to her beloved husband.
After all, who would know Bobby better than she?

I'm afraid I haven't got a good frame of reference because I was born after that era in American history. I wish I had
lived through it, though... so many amazing personalities and events happened that shaped an entire generation
then. :-)
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 12:06 AM
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29. Robert F Kennedy Jr endorses HRC. I assume Robert is
endorsing HRC because of "her strength and experience". He is endorsing someone for the right reason and not because someone reminds him of someone.

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 02:08 AM
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32. Nicely said. :)
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 11:16 PM
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26. There is no parallel, except they're both sitting Senators
part of a group that has an exceedingly difficult time winning the White House. Only JFK managed to break the Senate curse for the Democrats, so Obama supporters are clinging to the only person who's actually done what they want their candidate to do. It's wishful thinking.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 11:30 PM
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27. Do you also include Ted Sorenson as one of the "Obama supporters...clinging to...wishful thinking"?
Edited on Wed Dec-26-07 12:02 AM by ClarkUSA
I do not have the personal knowledge to say Obama is like JFK because I didn't live through that era, so my impressions are based on
the trusted observations of people like longtime JFK aide Ted Sorenson and JFK policymaker and Clinton administration official Sen.
Harris Wofford. I am not clinging to the memory of JFK as a talisman for Obama at all. If anything, I am not sure of who among the
major candidates will win Iowa at this point.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-26-07 10:16 AM
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34. What a ridiculous comparison
please stop.
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