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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:31 PM
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Poll question: If your chosen candidate wins, or loses
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:34 PM
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1. Other
If it's Edwards, I will vote for him under protest.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:35 PM
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2. I'm going to do what I'm doing now:
:popcorn:

This is such a great show. The world destroying policies are in place right now, and people are playing games instead of fixing the problem.

If that's really all we can come up with after several million years of evolution, we deserve to die out.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:37 PM
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3. lol
pass the popcorn. Holy shit that was funny yet true.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:43 PM
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7. Thanks! And help yourself!
:popcorn:

I've tried for years to get people to pay attention, take responsibility and find solutions. You know what I heard?

"Whine, whine, whine...."
"I don't wanna..."
"We need a savior..."

HELLO!!! There are solutions! There are people who want to fix things! They can't do it alone!

Meh. At some point, we as a species have got to grow up. If we can't do that...
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:42 PM
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5. So how would you fix the problem?
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 05:43 PM by Amerigo Vespucci
It seems that we have several choices:

"President Clinton"
"President Obama"
"President Edwards"
"President Giuliani"
"President McCain"
"President Romney"
"President Huckabee"

...and as much as I support your premise that we are "playing games instead of fixing the problem," I don't see a solution to the problem in your post. I just see you munching on motherfucking popcorn and having a laugh.

Come ON, G...enlighten us.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:48 PM
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10. None of those people are the solution
Anyone on your list gonna stop our imperial conquests? Our use of oil? Pollution for profit? Exploitation of workers?

Any of them even going to put our Constitution back in place?

It will be my extreme pleasure to vote for a Dem for president, only to have them sell us out to the corps.

You know why I'll be enjoying my popcorn? Because I warned everyone I could, and they didn't want to believe me.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:51 PM
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12. So in other words, you have DICK.
You warned everyone, but they're all screwed, because they didn't listen to you.

Thanks for nothing, Son of Sam.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:58 PM
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17. No, they're all screwn because they refuse to see how much danger they're all in
And as for how to fix the problems, you can read my first few journal entries. My first was my most extensive.

I'd rather not go that in depth here.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:22 PM
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31. I assume you're supporting Kucinich then? nt
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 11:17 AM
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41. I am currently supporting Kucinich
I don't agree with his stand on immigration, but you can't have everything.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:26 PM
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21. President Biden. nt
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:48 PM
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25. Amen
:nuke:

P.S. There are some dung beetles still rolling balls of crap around after millions of years of evolution... I think we've accomplished a bit more than that.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:53 PM
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26. You'd think so
but wouldn't it be a good joke if the lowly dung beetle is still around after we manage to nuke ourselves into oblivion?
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:09 PM
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38. Probably will be. n/t
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College Liberal Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:40 PM
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4. Who voted for Romney?
I mean really, come on? People are a trip

:hi: Romney Lurkers....
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:44 PM
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8. I KNEW I'd draw them out....
:rofl:

They couldn't vote for their boy without admitting they were a scumbag.

:rofl:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:48 PM
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11. Who is the Romney Supporter That You Have Drawn Out?
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:53 PM
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13. How could I possibly know that?
Whoever voted for Romney.

Other than that, ask Skinner for their I.P. address.

:silly:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:55 PM
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14. Ahuh... Then Why Say "I Knew I'd Draw Them Out"
there are only a few people who have posted on this thread. So which ones are they?
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:56 PM
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15. Good night.
You are dismissed.

:silly:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:58 PM
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16. And You have been busted
and too cowardly to admit it. Sleep tight.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:28 PM
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34. lol
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:43 PM
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6. Armed insurrection
Wait. Wins what?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:47 PM
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9. If it's Hillary...
I'll assume that our country has absolutely no chance
of recovering from the neocons--because a neocon enabler
will be in the White House.

I'll stand back as the Iraq war exacerbate and the war
widens to Iran. Hillary will not roll back the
abuse of power that Bush enjoyed; she'll enjoy it too.

Then, I'll watch Freeper heads explode, as a Democrat
is in charge of spying on THEM and reading THEIR email,
and obfuscating investigations, and taking away THEIR
civil and Constitutional rights and signing any damn
signing statement she wants.

Our country will continue down the path of Fascism.

However, if it's Edwards, Biden or Obama who wins, I'll
just breath a sigh of relief and go about my life.



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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 05:58 PM
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18. Have a look at Hillary's distinctly non-neocon record, and TELL me that comment isn't crazy...
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 05:59 PM by Perry Logan
Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

"...Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries..."

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israel/index.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfur


The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the rights of children for special needs for decades. In her first job out of law school working for the Children's Defense Fund, she conducted research that led to Congress passing the Education for All Handicapped Children Act of 1975, the landmark bill mandating that all children with disabilities be educated in the public school system. later, she helped improve the education of children with special needs by working to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities in Education Act. In 2005, she sponsored an amendment to increase funding for the act by $4 billion dollars. She also cosponsored the Personal Excellence for Children with Disabilities Act, a bill that promised to help schools recruit and retain new special education teachers, and better prepare general education teachers and staff to work with children with special needs.

Most recently, she has called for greatly expanded funding to the National Institute for Health to investigate treatments for children with disabilities. And she has put forth a comprehensive and detailed plan to help children and families affected by autism, with numerous elements that correspond very closely to what families in the autism community have been demanding for years.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:33 PM
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23. In the immortal words of Crarlie Brown
AUGGGHH!
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 10:11 PM
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39. Same Spam, Different Day.
Can't you just post a link to those distortions rather than copy & pasting the whole goddamn thing 50 times a day?

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 10:34 PM
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40. but you can't argue with the word count
it doesn't have the same effect if it's just a link.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:05 PM
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19. "the Party seeks power for its own sake...
no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end...the object of power is power..." George Orwell 1984

I don't see any of them giving up a shred of the power Bush has amassed for the Executive. You may think Obama and Edwards or even Kucinich are different, but human nature remains unchanged.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:19 PM
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29. Daaaamn sparkles! lol. don't hold it all in like that!
:D
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:19 PM
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20. I will not vote for Edwards. Thank goodness that is not going to be a problem.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:31 PM
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22. Other.
1. If a Democratic candidate wins the Oval Office, even if they weren't my first choice, I'll consider that a win.


2. If a candidate other than mine gets the nom and DOESN'T win the Oval Office, I'll piss and moan and post threads about how much better life would have been if my candidate had won.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:16 PM
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27. me too n/t
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College Liberal Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 06:34 PM
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24. What is this place coming to?
Huckabee has 2 votes and Gov. Good-hair has 1?

Oh lawd, please explain that one to me?

:shrug:

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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:19 PM
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28. I'll vote for any nominee but Hillary.
If it's Hillary and Bloomberg is running as an indy, then I will vote for him. If not it comes down to who the Republican nominee is. If its Huckabee and Bloomberg doesn't run, I vote for Hillary. If its one of the few republicans who support stem cell research, then they may get my vote. It all depends.

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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:20 PM
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30. Why him over her? and why only not her?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:24 PM
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32. Because voting for her is voting for the death of the party...
I might as well vote for a republican over Hillary, because they both represent the same bullshit.

I like Obama, Edwards and Biden (the only other three who i think have a shot of winning the nomination.) The each represent change in the party, and thats something I can get behind. They are also all progressives, which is so much more then I can say for Hillary.

I like Bloomberg a lot, and depending on if he joins the GE, and how much traction he gets, I would consider voting for him over anyone but Obama. If polls show him a week before the GE, still polling at 11%, I'd vote for the democratic candidate (save that its not Hillary)
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:26 PM
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33. i hear ya.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:28 PM
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35. stupid is as stupid does.
even if it doesn't do very well. You're the poster child for muddled thinking.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:36 PM
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37. Please Cali, go into detail about how YOU think I should use my vote...
Last I checked, it was to use as I see fit.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 07:29 PM
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36. Other:
It depends entirely on who defeats my candidate, the direction the party takes at the convention, the direction the campaign takes, and what that candidate does in office if he/she wins.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 12:22 PM
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42. Any Dem except Kucinich would be a win.
If Kucinich were president, this country would be fucked. But that seems unlikely.

Clinton, Edwards, Obama, Richardson, Biden and Dodd are all wins.
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