Hillary must be feeling good about herself - her two opponents are attacking each other, not her

[Herman Munster]

Pretty much everyone expected Hillary and Obama to go negative toward the end of Iowa. But it appears with the PAC ads and new Obama attacks that Obama and Edwards will be fighting it out to be the "anti-Hillary" candidate.

All this does is make the probability of Hillary winning much higher. She gets to stay on message while the boys duke it out.

[polichick]

1. Nice try...

But Edwards isn't fighting it out with anybody ~ just a bit of whining on Obama's part that'll be over by tomorrow.

[cali]

4. no it won't be- anymore than the 527 attacks on Dean and connected

to Gebhardt blew over in a day. It may not be as big a deal as that, but anytime 527s jump in in a primary race, the blood of reporters starts racing. And the role of 527s is, if anything, even more contentious now, than it was 4 years ago.

And of course Edwards if fighting it out. He's a politician trying to gain the nomination. They're all fighting it out.

[polichick]

8. Nice try for you too...

But Edwards isn't fighting with Obama about that ad, as the OP suggested ~ his statement was thoughtful and quite enough. (Don't you ever get enough of yourself and your pontificating??)

[cali]

14. bwahahaha. you're just like some of the Clinton defenders,

cupcake, defending whoever their surrogates are. Too funny. And it's unlikely Edwards statement will be taken seriously either by the press or Iowans.

:rofl:

[DURHAM D]

15. What's up?

Unnecessary for you to bring Clinton into your bitch fight.

[Quixote1818]

17. Most people in Iowa won't take the time to see where they came from

The will be sitting in their family room and the ad will come on. They won't be running to the computer to google the group and see who is behind it.

[polichick]

18. Sorry cali, but I find you flat-out obnoxious...

If people don't agree with what you say, you get ugly and start calling them names meant to belittle (like the "cupcake" you just used). You'll notice that I don't reply to your posts, and yet you keep interjecting yourself when I've responded to others. You'd do better to stalk those who appreciate you.

[sniffa]

26. ...

:thumbsup:

[Quixote1818]

2. Accept Hillary is in on the 527 thing too. And more than Edwards

Politico's Ben Smith tallied up the totals as of Thursday night and found three groups (AFSCME, AFT and Emily's List) agitating on Clinton's behalf for a total of more than $1,8 million;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/alliance-for-a-new-america

[Herman Munster]

5. but Hillary has never railed against special interest money

She's not being a hypocrite. It's the hypocrisy that is the problem.

[Quixote1818]

11. But the point of your post was bout the candidates fighting

As soon as Hillary's 527's start going then she and Obama and Edwards will all be fighting.

[cali]

6. Are they running negative TV ads targeting another candidate? n/t

[Quixote1818]

7. It sounds like they are gearing up to

And I am sure they will go against Obama and Edwards once they get going.


Here is the article:

With a little more than 2 weeks to go before Iowa votes, there is not much more the campaigns can do to move numbers but ground game, organizing and getting their supporters worked up. This is the time 527s -- independent groups which can spend thousands of behalf of candidates but are not allowed to coordinate in any way with any campaign -- jump in and start helping their chosen candidates.

Among Democrats, the two main stories for now have been (1) how little negativity there has been in 527 ads -- a stark contrast from 4 years ago where Dean and Gephardt bashed each other through independent groups, and (2) the fact that no 527 has jumped in on Obama's behalf.

Politico's Ben Smith tallied up the totals as of Thursday night and found three groups (AFSCME, AFT and Emily's List) agitating on Clinton's behalf for a total of more than $1,8 million; and two groups (the Carpenters union, and SEIU) working on Edwards's behalf for a total of almost $1.3 million.

Since then two big developments: "The Alliance for a New America" (seemingly funded by the SEIU) has dumped in nearly 3/4s of a million to help Edwards and run tons of ads across the state in the week after Christmas; and FEC filings show that pro-Hillary group spent $300,000 dollars in a single day yesterday, with most of it coming from Emily's List. It is unclear where the money will be used, but probably in Iowa the most and New Hampshire to some degree. There have also been very small groups that have been spent very little money but hoped for some publicity (such as "Democratic Courage" which prepared negative ads against Obama and against Clinton).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/alliance-for-a-new-america

[cali]

12. I didn't see anything indicating that groups that support

Clinton will be running TV spots in that article, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they did.

[Quixote1818]

13. Isn't that what 527 groups do? Isn't that the whole purpose?

That money isn't going to be used for feeding the poor. Also the article specifically uses the world "agitating" on behalf of Hillary.

[cali]

16. no. they can engage in a variey of activities, I believe.

[Quixote1818]

20. Notice the word "agitating" in the sentence.

Politico's Ben Smith tallied up the totals as of Thursday night and found three groups (AFSCME, AFT and Emily's List) agitating on Clinton's behalf for a total of more than $1,8 million


Agitating: # To cause to move with violence or sudden force.
# To upset; disturb: was agitated by the alarming news.

[cali]

23. sure I noticed it. And I saw it as a blatant bias against

Clinton. Didn't you? Do you really think that groups like Emily's List is an "agitator"?

[Herman Munster]

19. not really

if you look at where EMILY's LIST is spending their money. It's on turnout and organization. They are spending lots trying to find women who have never caucused in the past for Hillary, and making it so it won't be intimidating for them, organizing buddies, daycare, transportation to the caucus if they need it, etc.

[Quixote1818]

21. Good point. nt

[cali]

25. According to Smith, they're "agitating". n/t

[sniffa]

3. she never attacks anyway

that's what underlings are for. her hands are clean.

[Perry Logan]

9. This is just another example of progressives' tendency to forget who the real opponent is.

[Forkboy]

22. You should remind us because all I see you ever attack is the left and progressives.

So tell us, Perry, who is YOUR enemy, because from your posts one would think it's those on your left, not your right.

[sniffa]

24. no shit

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

10. you may be onto something. Hil is leaving softly.