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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:02 AM
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I'm an Edwards fan, but this NYT article on Obama made me think.
I'm still not convinced that we don't need someone more combative on our side right now. However, this article does make a good point about character traits that make for good presidents, and why certain ones can be more important than "experience". Obama is already my second choice so this changes nothing for me except to make him a closer second than he was before I read it.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/344391_brooks21.html

The U.S. presidency is a bacterium
By DAVID BROOKS
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST

Hillary Clinton has been a much better senator than Barack Obama. She has been a serious, substantive lawmaker who has worked effectively across party lines. Obama has some accomplishments under his belt, but many of his colleagues believe that he has not bothered to master the intricacies of legislation or the maze of Senate rules. He talks about independence, but he has never quite bucked liberal orthodoxy or party discipline.

If Clinton were running against Obama for Senate, it would be easy to choose between them.

But they are running for president, and the presidency requires a different set of qualities. Presidents are buffeted by sycophancy, criticism and betrayal. They must improvise amid a thousand fluid crises. They're isolated and also exposed, puffed up on the outside and hollowed out within. With the presidency, character and self-knowledge matter more than even experience. There are reasons to think that, among Democrats, Obama is better prepared for this madness.

Many of the best presidents in U.S. history had their character forged before they entered politics and carried to it a degree of self-possession and tranquility that was impervious to the Sturm und Drang of White House life.

Obama is an inner-directed man in a profession filled with insecure outer-directed ones. He was forged by the process of discovering his own identity from the scattered facts of his childhood, a process that is described in finely observed detail in "Dreams From My Father." Once he completed that process, he has been astonishingly constant.

Like most of the rival campaigns, I've been poring over press clippings from Obama's past, looking for inconsistencies and flip-flops. There are virtually none. The unity speech he gives on the stump today is essentially the same speech that he gave at the Democratic convention in 2004, and it's the same sort of speech he gave to Illinois legislators and Harvard Law students in the decades before that. He has a core, and was able to maintain his equipoise, for example, even as his campaign stagnated through the summer and fall.

Moreover, he has a worldview that precedes political positions. Some Americans (Republican or Democrat) believe that the country's future can only be shaped through a remorseless civil war between the children of light and the children of darkness. Though neither Tom DeLay nor Nancy Pelosi were able to deliver much to their own believers, these warriors believe that what's needed is more partisanship, more toughness and eventual conquest for their side.

But Obama does not ratchet up hostilities; he restrains them. He does not lash out at perceived enemies, but is aloof from them. In the course of this struggle to discover who he is, Obama clearly learned from the strain of pessimistic optimism that stretches back from Martin Luther King Jr. to Abraham Lincoln. This is a worldview that detests anger as a motivating force, which distrusts easy dichotomies between the parties of good and evil, believing instead that the crucial dichotomy runs between the good and bad within each individual.

Obama did not respond to his fatherlessness or his racial predicament with anger and rage, but as questions for investigation, conversation and synthesis. He approaches politics the same way. In her outstanding New Yorker profile, Larissa MacFarquhar notes that Obama does not perceive politics as a series of battles but as a series of systemic problems to be addressed. He pursues liberal ends in gradualist, temperamentally conservative ways.

Obama also has powers of observation that may mitigate his own inexperience and the isolating pressures of the White House. In his famous essay, "Political Judgment," Isaiah Berlin writes that wise leaders don't think abstractly. They use powers of close observation to integrate the vast shifting amalgam of data that constitute their own particular situation -- their own and no other.

Obama demonstrated those powers in "Dreams From My Father" and still reveals glimpses of the ability to step outside his own ego and look at reality in uninhibited and honest ways. He still retains the capacity, also rare in presidents, of being able to sympathize with and grasp the motivations of his rivals. Even in his political memoir, "The Audacity of Hope," he astutely observes that candidates are driven less by the desire for victory than by the raw fear of loss and humiliation.

What Bill Clinton said on "The Charlie Rose Show" is right: picking Obama is a roll of the dice. Sometimes he seems more concerned with process than results. But for Democrats, there's a roll of the dice either way.

The presidency is a bacterium. It finds the open wounds in the people who hold it. It infects them, and the resulting scandals infect the presidency and the country. The person with the fewest wounds usually does best in the White House, and is best for the country.

David Brooks writes for The New York Times.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:03 AM
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1. It's David Brooks. What else needs to be said? n/t
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:12 AM
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4. So what if it is Brooks?
It is actually a pretty intelligent piece. He correctly notes that the qualities that make one a good senator or a top partisan warrior do not always lend themselves to the realm of presidential leadership.

Look at John F. Kennedy. He was, by all accounts, not the most skilled senator. What JFK did possses was a sense of vision and of larger purpose. It was a sense of idealism and of tapping people's better nature that drove his administration, not an immersion in legislative minutiae.

Also look at Ted Kennedy. Ted lacks his older brother's cmedia skills, his way of tapping the public zeitgeist. He is, however, a far better senator. I'd go so far as to call him one of the half dozen most effective senators ever.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:08 AM
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2. It sure worked for Chamberlain.
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 11:29 AM by Benhurst
Fascists are always open to compromise and to work within the system to devise policies which are fair to all parties concerned.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:11 AM
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3. David Brooks and the GOP went on and on about how 'electable' Bush was
I'd rather have a combative person in the White House fully capable of taking on the entrenched interests that have gotten us into the mess we're in rather than a 'babe in the woods' as Obama appears to be (inviting said interests to sit at the table, etc.)
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:29 AM
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5. Edwards has all the things we need
He is a firey lawyer, and in my mind the most intelligent of the pack.. with plenty of fire in the bellie...Go John Run Hard, you have never been behid in IOwa, and now the corporate media is scared to death they are going to have egg on their faces....Go John, we need you fire.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:34 AM
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6. M$M fears 'The Sleeper'
Which is why, in full CYA mode, Newsweak put him on their cover !
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:34 AM
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7. You bet he does. I need a bigger house, a bigger TV, a bigger car, & a better haircut!
:evilgrin:
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:26 PM
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14. You need more then that. nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:47 AM
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8. And then there's that nasty little thing about giving an anti-gay preacher
a pulpit and an audience to preach to. Why did Obama do this? He says he doesn't have a problem with gays, yet he allows someone who thinks gay people could be "cured" and become straight the opportunity to preach.

I have a big problem with that, especially coming from someone who should know better. He hasn't apologized for it, and he apparently thinks it's perfectly fine to allow this type of discrimination.

Unfit for the Presidency. Haven't we had enough of the "do as I say, not as I do" sh!t over the last seven years?

If Barack wants my vote, he needs to deal with this issue.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:20 PM
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9. Were these normal times, I would agree.
The problem is that our country has been wrenched to the right so sharply that we are about to jack-knife and roll over. After a swing so wide toward fascism, warm, fuzzy compromise will not work. We need a president who talks from the gut, someone who is persuasive and exciting enough to inspire voters to direct our nation solidly and firmly back toward the center and stability. Right now, we need someone who will fight for us. We need John Edwards.

Once President John Edwards has inspired Americans to move back toward the center, Barack Obama will make a great president.

Obama is not the person we need now because he does not understand, much less have answers for, the frustrations of working and middle class Americans. He understands organizing for incremental social change; he understands speechifying for unity; but he has no clue as to how to feel and voice the anger that so many Americans need to but cannot express at this time.

And, if we on DU are angry now, the anger that Americans will be feeling in the next four years will be worse, much worse. We woke up first. We are ahead of the country in terms of seeing the reality to which we have sunk.

In spite of the stock market boom, the average American employee/worker's wages have stagnated or even fallen to the extent that he or she has actually lost money over the past 27 years. The unions that spoke for and represented working people's including middle class employee's interests have been weakened to the point of irrelevance. The climb from the poor and lower middle classes to upper middle class has become steeper and more perilous thanks to the changes in the bankruptcy bill, lack of investment in public education, the rise in the cost of higher education, the high cost of student loans, the waste of money on the corrupt corporate war machine, the explosion in the price of health care and now the foreclosure crisis.

The only Democratic candidate who has tuned in and listened to the frustration, the only Democratic candidate who speaks on behalf of all working and middle class people from the frustrated hog farmers of Iowa and the unemployed textile mill workers in North Carolina to the out-of-work computer programmers is Los Angeles is John Edwards.

Obama's message is beautiful. It appeals to those who are securely employed in institutions like the New York Times, to teachers and other government employees who do not realize just how precarious their pensions and futures are in this economy and to the very rich. But, in fact, the healing that Obama advocates cannot take place until the source of the infection in our national body has been identified and the wound cleansed. Edwards is the only candidate who understands that it may take more than a magic pill to cure what ails us. Obama is wonderful, but Edwards is the man of the moment.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:33 PM
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10. I don't think Edwards talks from the "gut" as much as he talks from political expediency.
Obama is ready to be president NOW. Years from now will be too late. He'll be "old news." He's inspring with his message AND his accomplishments. You should read more about him at this thread and rethink the "not ready" or "doesn't understand the frustration of working and middle class Americans" criticism: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=132
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 11:16 PM
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13. you beat me to it
Edwards doesn't talk from the gut at all; it's a well practiced, well delivered spiel. It changes as his need determines.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:13 PM
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11. This is a very nice article about Obama, no matter who wrote it.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 09:34 PM
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12. David Brooks wrote a wonderful article praising Bush...
David put wonderful words in Bush's mouth, imagining an erudite and intelligent man who could actually use the word "ameliorated" in a sentence and use it correctly. Brooks made a wonderful case for Bush as "the war president" helping to ease the minds of his readers and prepared them to go to the polls and vote for the man who has caused so much heart-ache. Brooks is an asshole and if he thinks Obama is the best choice for Democrats there is something seriously suspicious underfoot. He would love to have Obama be the candidate...Obama would lose in the GE. Anyone who could have gotten Bush so wrong could not possibly be trusted. Ever.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C00E4D6173AF933A25751C0A9629C8B63

Read this article by Brooks if you have any questions regarding his intentions.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-22-07 12:10 AM
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15. You should read more Brooks
maybe you'll see what a hack he is then.
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