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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:20 AM
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Obama fans, why not Edwards?
Edited on Fri Dec-21-07 01:22 AM by annie1
or rather, why Obama over Edwards? Just wondering how Obama fares better in many states polls above Edwards.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:23 AM
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1. Edwards is a solid pick behind BHO
however his 2004 run has left a bad taste in my mouth.

I believe BHO is the Edwards of 2008.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:23 AM
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2. We did this Sunday
and I don't feel like ripping Edwards tonight. I rather like the campaign he is running this time around. He has been a force for good for the party and for the race.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:25 AM
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3. The IWR.
That's a biggie for me. Otherwise, he has run a great campaign and I appreciate that he and Barack have been able to engage in a give-and-take on the issues and rise above the negative crappola coming from you-know-who.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:31 AM
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4. Bingo
It took me a long time to decide on Edwards because of his sponsorship of the IWR. However, I think a fiery populist message is good for the country no matter what his history is.

Also, I think Obama's message of reconciliation is wrongly timed. First we need someone to get in there and kick some Rethug ass. THEN we can reconcile.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:40 AM
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5. I'll bingo that...
"Then we can reconcile."

Double Bingo.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:32 PM
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17. That's right
If you don't show them you are serious about change, and if you don't show them you "will" be working for the people and not corporate America, you really have no chance of getting them to work with you. Edwards has them scared, and it shows. They are bringing out Greenspan to try and kill his message. They have come up with lies to try and make him look bad, and the reason is simple. They don't want to deal with him because they can't control him!!!!

We all know where the big money is right now, and it isn't with Edwards. Those who put up the big bucks want something in return. For any candidate to say it won't influence them is simply BS. Why do you think the big money has jumped to the dems this year? Because they know the republicans have a very slim chance with their field of candidates. They are dumping money in to the parties of certain dems so they can cover all bases. What kind of a change can we expect from a nominee who has taken all that money? Think about it.

The big money knows Edwards will do what he says, and they scares them. They don't want to give up their control on this country, they want to keep it as it is. We need to vote for change, not for "staying the course"!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 02:30 PM
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20. I respect your decision.
I understand your journey, I just didn't get off the train at the same station. The IWR in my opinion was the Pandora's Box that enabled this administration to violate the Constitution and International Law. It sucked so much ass that I am irretrievably committed to holding those responsible accountable.

As an aside, I think you misunderstand Obama's message. He isn't calling for unity or kumbaya, he's calling for ratcheting down the ugly so we can start moving forward and accomplish the myriad of epic problems we face. I realize that isn't as spicy as other more heated rhetoric, but that's part of what gives Obama the appeal that is giving the SS Clinton a real run for her money.

Don't get me wrong, I like Edwards' message, very much, but I also feel compelled to hold the Democrats that signed on to Junior's war scheme accountable. No worries, though, because K-L sent me completely around the bend and one candidate has the distinct privilege of being the recipient of my wrath in that regard.

Best of luck in the primaries, though. I mean that. May the best man win. Cheers.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:15 PM
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18. That...and...
I have a major problem with Edwards on being a co-sponsor on the Iraq War Resolution while he was also on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee where nearly all those on the Democratic side knew the intelligence Bush was supplying was bogus...and he still went for it. An apology is nice, but it can't take back such utter complete disaster that most people fail to even comprehend that's going on at this minute...

The other issue about how he voted for the China Free Trade bill that scorched his home state with loss of jobs directly from that. He never mentions how that vote was bad and it seems only Dennis Kucinich brings it up.

His rhetoric on the war and free trade and how it's bad for the US rings empty for me because of his track record. I find it really difficult to trust someone whose record is almost completely opposite to what he now says. Add that he is the least experienced of all the candidates running.

There was a story that disturbed me about his honesty. He approached John Kerry and told him the story about his son who had died and that he had kneeled on his grave and said he would do all he could for his son. He told John Kerry he had never told that story to anyone. The problem was that John Kerry had been told that story before by John Edwards a few months earlier and it sent off alarms.

I don't particularly think that Edwards can deliver the Southern vote based on how he could only serve one term and didn't have much effect in the 2004 race.

He's not a bad guy and no politician running for President is perfect. I just think he had his chance and his record shows it.

I'm really excited by a candidate like Obama that offers hope and a REAL change in these times. A candidate like him comes around once every 50 years.

I wish the Edwards campaign, family and all supporters all the absolute best in the next weeks. It's going to be a wild ride.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:44 AM
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6. 2 librul
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 02:20 AM
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7. I dont trust him n/t.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:39 AM
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11. Seconded.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 02:40 AM
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8. Edwards is OK, but I feel no connection to him.
After listening to Obama, I am more hopeful of what we can do in a positive manner, instead of simply attacking.

I'm tired of hearing how awful Republicans are. It's so obvious to me, I don't need to hear it any more.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:10 AM
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9. I don't see John Edwards as "simply attacking"
He actually has the most detailed plans in all aspects for our country. He wants to overhaul Washington, Washington needs an overhaul. I respect both candidates though for not taking money from lobbyist for this campaign, that is morally right to us as citizens, it is an act of decency and respect. They won't be bought.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 03:35 AM
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10. I want a president the rest of the world can relate to. I like Obama's heritage (and ideas).
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:30 AM
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12. Edwards is my last choice after Gravel
For many reasons, but first because he co-sponsored the IWR while sitting on the Intelligence Committee and not bothering himself to read the National Intelligence Estimate. Gross negligence in office leading to an ongoing disaster for the nation and the world. Second, tripling his earned fortune on the biggest Wall Street rip off since the Great Depression, thanks to financial services "reform" when he sat on the Banking Committee, and leading to a developing economic disaster for the nation and the world. Third, I don't buy his act, in a suit or in blue jeans, or believe his word can be trusted. I could go on and on about his record, but my third reason is sufficient in itself for why I do not support Edwards.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 06:41 AM
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13. Edwards cannot beat Hillary for the nomination. nt
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:21 AM
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14. Edwards is my second choice
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 07:35 AM
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15. Which one is the REAL Edwards?
He talks a good game, but his voting record when he was in the Senate tells a different story. And I'm talking about his votes on the big issues. He apologized for the IWR vote. He recently apologized for the vote on the first bankruptcy bill. He didn't support universal healthcare four years ago.

Those are just some of the issues I have with him.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 12:06 PM
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16. Two words: SENATE RECORD
Two more words: HEDGE FUND
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-21-07 01:32 PM
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19. Edwards is my second choice, but if he does really well in Iowa
I may vote for him in the New Hampshire primary. At this point I'll go with Obama or Edwards in order to stop Hillary. I've tried to warm up to the woman, but I just can't stand her and the most recent kindergarten/cocaine/Hussein/Muslim attacks have reinforced that feeling.
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