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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 07:47 PM
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Why Kucinich Cannot Win
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 07:51 PM by Don1
Everything has been stacked up against Kucinich since Day#1. It started way before the Presidential campaigns...in Hillary Clinton's Senatorial campaign and in other candidates' hedge funds and sources of money. Hillary used some tens of millions of $$ from her big state to boost her Presidential bid once it started, giving her a huge edge. In a way, it was smart of her, but ultimately somehow this move has been unfair to other, better candidates.

In any case, what happened next was that huge media conglomerates excluded Mike Gravel from some debates and to a lesser extent Dennis. Don't forget Anderson Cooper hosting one debate where he trivialized Dennis's campaign. Don't forget, too, that even when allowed in debates, both Gravel and Kucinich were given less time to answer and less questions.

It didn't stop there, though. The news media chose to ask Dennis about his UFO experience. Who cares? It was the 70's, man. Everyone was seeing UFO's with Shirley McLaine. No, seriously, why ask such a question of Dennis when there are just as many questions to be asked of Hillary, Edwards, Obama and others that could make them look bad (even though maybe they aren't). They could have asked Hillary about that right-wing conspiracy theory where she allegedly had some guy offed. They could have asked Obama about his alleged attendance of a Muslim school or other FOX lies. They could have asked Edwards why he chose to get an expensive haircut. No, instead they chose to go on the offensive against Dennis Kucinich, the leftmost candidate.

What happened recently, though, is the clincher. It exposes the media giants for what they are--corporate interests looking out for themselves. As you may have read, Dennis Kucinich was excluded from the Iowa debate sponsored by the Des Moines Register. Allegedly, he didn't have a campaign office in Iowa, but he actually did, just not a storefront. The rules did not, however, say that he had to have a storefront campaign office. On the other hand, the newspaper allowed Alan Keyes in the Republican debate--Alan Keyes not only had no storefront campaign office, but no campaign office at all.

Why would such a home-loving sounding newspaper as the Des Moines Register be so logically inconsistent? Well, the answer is that they really are not a small-time newspaper. They were bought up in the early 80's, the age of Reaganomics, by the Gannet Co, Inc, which is an international media-print conglomerate and who gobbled newspapers in 44 states and several countries at other times. They simply did not want someone as left and anti-corporatism to be in the debate that they sponsored.

Just a couple of days ago, they endorsed McCain out of the Republicans and Hillary out of the Democrats and in their statement of endorsement, they stated how much the Democrats all agreed with each other and how similar they were. Well, yes, that is because Dennis was not there. Just like they wanted.

And that is unfortunately why Dennis cannot win. However, I will still donate to his campaign. The movement is more important than 2008. Who is with me?
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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:02 PM
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1. Why Kucinich Will Win.
Because us Kucinich supporters are going to man-up and knock on doors.
Pick the campaign up off the floor. One percent, two percent, ten percent MORE!
From New Hampshire to the California shores.

From January cold...to the Denver sunshine.
In 2008, victory is mine.
No time to bleed, no time whine.

Let them ignore us, their derision bores us.
Nobody us will do the work for us.

We want the victory dance at the inaugural ball,
STOP THE WHINING AND GET TO WORK Y'ALL!

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:08 PM
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3. If you haven't seen this video you need to watch it..
It has much more information in it than just Dennis/Debate. I found it quite enlightening on a number of fronts. It's also posted here in the Political Video Board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GEGv9bdsS8

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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:59 PM
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9. I like this one, too.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:03 PM
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2. Dennis won the IndependentPrimary.Com poll for NH!
Congressman Dennis Kucinich is the clear favorite of independent-minded voters in the IndependentPrimary.Com internet poll.

Over 110,000 people voted in IndependentPrimary.Com.

Kucinich won over 75% of the votes cast on the Democratic side.



http://donate.independentprimary.com



I am not ready to give up on Dennis. I'm just not.
DR
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:09 PM
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4. I am with you Desertrose Dennis ROCKS
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:13 PM
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5. I have a Kucinich sing in my front yard - 50% of my neighbors
come up to me and ask who he is - or the other half come up and thank me for being supportive of their candidate. This is in San Diego - he has a LOT of support and its growing every day - because people are sick and tired of Corporate politics as usual.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:15 PM
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6. He is not Presidential in the eyes of the
Edited on Thu Dec-20-07 08:19 PM by doc03
MSM and will never be taken serious. He is short, he wants to just leave Iraq and accept defeat, he wants a Department of Peace and he is short. Like it or not the majority of the American people can't accept defeat, peace is for wimps we need to nuke them all and he is short. Just give us the NFL and don't bother us with a bunch of political s--t. The MSM has given him the Moonbeam label like they did Jerry Brown.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:31 PM
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7. Where are you getting your facts? The majority of Americans want
us out of there. And we need to nuke them all? :eyes:
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:03 PM
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10. Yes the majority of Americans want us
out of Iraq until a Democrat pulls them out then the loss will be blamed on the Democrats. Oh I thought it was obvious on my last post but I should have added this. :sarcasm:
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 08:46 PM
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8. That's who Kucinich reminded me of
I couldn't think of his name before. Jerry Brown, wow, that's a blast from the past. And, you're right they will paint him with the Moonbeam label, just for his Dept of Peace, if nothing else.

zalinda
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:13 PM
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11. Dennis Kucinich Wins IndependentPrimary.Com
Congressman Dennis Kucinich is the clear favorite of independent-minded voters in the IndependentPrimary.Com internet poll.

Over 110,000 people voted in IndependentPrimary.Com.

Kucinich won over 75% of the votes cast on the Democratic side. (And Rep. Ron Paul won overwhelmingly on the Republican side).

As long-time independents we decided to do this poll because we were very concerned that Paul, Kucinich, and Gravel were excluded from some of the televised debates by the corporate media. We believe elections should be competitive and that the voters should decide at the polls! We want to give voters the authority to vote with their hearts.

Independents can swing the 2008 primary elections.

--From today's Kucinich Campaign email.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:19 PM
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12. I'm a stubborn, persistent person.
I won't ever think, or say, that Kucinich "can't" win. I'll concede that he may NOT win, for the reasons you mention above, but that doesn't mean that he "can't."

It just means that I continue to hold candidates and elected officials to different, higher standards than the majority of my fellow democrats, and that the effort to achieve real positive change will go on for my lifetime and beyond.

If DK "can't" win, then I can't, either. I won't live to see most of my personal goals achieved, because Democrats that actually support those goals "can't" be elected. Why would I bother to participate at all? I think DK can "win." I think every time he gains a cosponsor for HR 676 he "wins." I think that every time someone hears him who hasn't had the opportunity to do so before, he "wins."

Instead, I will, in my own stubborn, persistent way, "stay the course." I'll continue to support candidates for office that support me.

I win when I walk my talk.

I lose when I give up, and when I buy into the "can't win" mentality.
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Don1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:24 PM
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14. I agree with you.
I think in this op I wanted to chronicle exactly how his campaign has had much less support than other campaigns. It's because of corporate interests as well as how they affect the news media. I agree with you, though, that voting for Dennis is a winning vote, but I also think it is important to be angry about what has happened, to record it, and to do something about it.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:41 PM
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15. Well, we're on that same page.
I'm angry, but I haven't decided on what to do about it.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:22 PM
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13. One thing is for sure: he SHOULD win. nt
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 09:43 PM
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16. I agree that the direction of the party is more important than 2008
That's why I'm caucusing for Kucinich.
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