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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:06 PM
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Neither Clinton Nor Obama
Interesting opinions from a politics blog from Obama's former home state of Hawaii. We need to look at stuff like this, before we choose our nominee.


http://www.midweek.com/content/columns/mostlypolitics_article/why_08_is_making_dems_nervous/
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:13 PM
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1. "asking the voters to do something they’ve never done before"
There's a first time for everything. We certainly shouldn't live in fear of setting a precedent.

Interesting that people always mention Obama and Hillary when talking about "making history". Nominating Richardson would be precedent-setting as well.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:13 PM
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2. Just curious - if your guy comes up in the polls don't you think
he will be added to the list of minorities that this country is not ready to elect?
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:19 PM
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3. Females and African Americans have a much longer history of being discriminated against.
I don't think he would be.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:21 PM
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5. now, Richardson was, for a short time, my #1 pick... so I feel I can say this...
What happens when the right decideds Richardson would let more of them brown people in to take more good amurken jobs?
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:25 PM
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6. A lot of the right wingers are so dumb they don't know he's a "brown person"
Richardson ain't no "mexican" name, is it? ;)

Hell, after Reagan and Nixon, they can't even hold it against him that he's from California!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:29 PM
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8. well, you're rationale makes sense to me, but the GOP smear machine ain't amateurs
It would be well know he was hispanic in no time.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:20 PM
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4. Well sure he would
not that you asked me, but he's my guy too so I jumped in.

It's stupid and sad but also true that if he was Bill Rodriguez, and exactly the same guy with exactly the same opinions and resume, it already would be a bigger issue. Because it's more difficult to immediately peg a guy with an anglo name as Hispanic, since especially in the southwest deeply tanned guys with dark hair are not uncommon and not physically dissimialr, than it is to peg Obama as a black guy, I suspect only a minority of voters even know he IS a minority.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:29 PM
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7. His name definitely helps him. And he's a very likable, conversational personality.
Edited on Wed Dec-19-07 02:31 PM by Carrieyazel
That's what's gotten him this far.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 02:35 PM
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9. I agree in part with this blogger as I live in the south
this country is way too prejudiced to gamble on anything but a white male. Yet part of me knows the Hillary and Bill have been through the fire and are experienced in fighting the Rovians. (I like to call this the Bartcop argument, because it's his).

I have a couple of concerns about Edwards too. When attacked he doesn't respond agressively, and he has to stop that. He should take a page out of Jim Webb's book. When you are attacked confront it. When Lynn Cheney called his books pornography he came back with, "I'm proud of my books". Edwards didn't have a comeback on the House issue, the haircut issue, etc. He has to develop a more agressive approach. And not just leave it to his wife to do either.
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