More deserving of respect and trust, Obama, or Ted Kennedy?

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Inspired by this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3859300&mesg_id=3859300 which reports Obama calling Kennedy old and spineless.

[MadBadger]

1. Stupid, stupid poll

So even if he may have been right on the issue. This was way back in 2003, when Senator Clinton and Edwards were supporting the War in Iraq.

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2. I understand you don't like it, trying to get a sense of DU anyway.

I'd be ashamed too, believe me.

"Way back in 2003" is a feeble excuse.

They're his words, and they paint him to be someone I'd rather not associate with, much less represent me in the WH.

[MadBadger]

4. I hope you arent supporting Edwards or Clinton

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5. Why, did one of them call Ted Kennedy old and spineless?

[MadBadger]

9. Were they Hawks back in early 2003, damn right they were.

I prefer to decide my president based on policies, not what they said about another senator.

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10. man, and Obama said he didn't know how he would have voted, little diffrerence between he and bush

his words, from an MTP interview.

Kinda off subject, tho.

[MadBadger]

15. Here is his quote from 2002

"I think I would have agreed with our senior Senator Dick Durbin, and voted Nay"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sXzmXy226po

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21. you really wanna go back over this? here my misguided Duer:

Obama “not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and...Bush’s position at this point"

And this: “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war." WHAT? I thought that was his big claim - that he would have voted against it if he'd had the chance. - ???

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SEN. OBAMA: I am sick and tired of Democrats thinking that the only way to look tough on national security is by talking and acting and voting like George Bush Republicans.

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MR. RUSSERT: “Talking and acting and voting like George Bush Republicans.” Who’s that?

SEN. OBAMA: Well, look, we know that too many Democrats, I believe, went along with George Bush when it came to the war in Iraq. In fact, of all the major candidates, I’m the only one who, in 2002, opposed the war in Iraq. I am concerned about the latest moves that the administration has been making with respect to Iran. And when, for example, Senator Clinton supported the Kyl-Lieberman amendment that suggests that we should structure our forces in Iraq with an eye toward blunting the influence of Iran in that country, that is, I think, a wrong message, not only to the world but also to the region, where we should be pursuing direct diplomacy. And so, on a series of issues, what I believe is that the Democrats have not stood forcefully against George Bush, they have not been clear about what an alternative foreign policy strategy would be, and, unless we present as a party a different vision about how we would approach national security, how we’d approach battling terrorism, I think that we are going to make ourselves vulnerable in the fall, and, more importantly, we’re going to be doing a disservice to the American people.

MR. RUSSERT: You were not in the Senate in October of 2002. You did give a speech opposing the war. But Senator Clinton’s campaign will say since you’ve been a senator there’s been no difference in your record. And other critics will say that you’ve not been a leader against the war, and they point to this: In July of ‘04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of ‘04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it.

SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on MEET THE PRESS during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq.

Look, I was opposed to this war in 2002, 2003, four, five, six and seven. What I was very clear about, even in 2002 in my original opposition, was once we were in, we were going to have to make some decisions to see how we could stabilize the situation and act responsibly. And that’s what I did through 2004, five and six, try to see can we create a workable government in Iraq? Can we make sure that we are minimizing the humanitarian costs in Iraq? Can we make sure that our troops are safe in Iraq? And that’s what I have done. Finally, in 2006, 2007, we started to see that, even after an election, George Bush continued to want to pursue a course that didn’t withdraw troops from Iraq but actually doubled down and initiated the surge. And at that stage, I said, very clearly, not only have we not seen improvements, but we’re actually worsening, potentially, a situation there. And since that time I’ve been absolutely clear in terms of the approach that I would take. I would end this war, and I would have our troops out within 16 months.

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if you haven't read the transcript, please do...much, much more there:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21738432 /

[MadBadger]

22. Did you bother to watch the video my misguided DUer?

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24. No, I didn't, because nothing he said in that video would erasse what he said shown in my last post

I don't care to see him standing on both sides of the issue, or issues.

Sorry.

[msongs]

19. yeah let's put ted and all those old people, AND the boomers, in the camps nt

[ellisonz]

31. I support euthanasia for everyone over 35.

Old age is a drain on our healthcare system!

:evilgrin:

:sarcasm:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Respectfully...This Poll Is Pointless

But don't feel slighted...Your thread is emblematic of most of the other ones...

[elocs]

17. Much here at the DU circular firing squad is pointless or redundant.

Much pouting and pissing and "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore, and although there's not much I can do about it I'm going to be really mad" and on and on.

[quinnox]

6. Kennedy has a decades long record

of being for good liberal causes, Obama isn't even close. No contest.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

7. Is Ted Kennedy a DINO this week? I've misplaced my score-card.

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11. point?

[NOVA_Dem]

14. Exactly. You're thread is pointless.

You're carrying water for His44.

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16. how so?

[Clintonista2]

23. .

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

13. 9.8... 9.8... 9.9... 10.0... 9.8... 10.0

[Bluebear]

18. Wow.

[BlueJazz]

12. I knew nothing of the incident between the 2 Gentlemen but I voted....

...for Ted because he's been in the Trenches a lot longer..

I, for one, Like the Poll

[rucky]

20. One vote for "Both The Same"

so there

:P

[Azathoth]

25. Gee, a push poll

How creative. :eyes:

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26. i like push polls

i also like inviting Teddy K. jokes.

i have a great one if anyone wants to hear it.

[amandabeech]

27. Obama's remark was far from politic.

Is this how he treats people, particularly older people?

This hardly sounds like the speeches he gives. The warmth is gone and callousness has take its place.

[Bluebear]

28. Remember, Obama also doesn't want to fight "the fights of the 60's"

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama attacked his chief rival as out of step with the times and too locked in 1960s social and cultural battles to deal with new challenges that require a different and perhaps younger perspective.

"I think there is no doubt that we represent the kind of change that Senator Clinton can't deliver on, and part of it is generational," Mr. Obama told Fox News yesterday about the difference between himself and Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. "I mean, Senator Clinton and others, they've been fighting some of the same fights since the '60s, and it makes it very difficult for them to bring the country together to get things done."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/08/obama-hits-generational-d_n_71729.html

[annie1]

36. LOL. nice.

[goodgd_yall]

29. My 2-bit psychobabble

I actually think the man has issues with his mom. Otherwise I can't understand why he likes to put down the movers and shakers of the 60s and 70s (and beyond, in Ted Kennedy's case).

[Bluebear]

30. Hell, the civil rights battle reached its zenith in the 60's!

Talk about disrespecting those that came before him.

[amandabeech]

37. He has big problems with Mom, Dad and probably his Grandparents.

Have you noticed that there is very, very little out there about his Mom and Grandparents who brought him up? It's like they don't exist.

The Chicago Tribune on Sunday, I think, ran an excellent piece on Mom and Grandparents. Mom clearly was more of a '60s type, but all three sounded really interesting.

This guy wants to divide us along generational lines, and will probably throw the baby boomers under the train.

Generational division has a very "60's" ring to it, doesn't it?

[Greyhound]

32. Is this the same Ted Kennedy that pushed the Raygun Agenda through the Senate?

I don't care for either of them, but Kennedy has been there long enough to do far more damage.

No vote

[Capn Sunshine]

33. You know, DU didn't used to be like this.

I knew it would get bad, but............
not voting in this childish poll either.

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34. Yeah, I know.

DU used to be a place with some honesty.

DU used to be a place with some integrity.

DU used to be a place where outrage would be universal against a fellow Dem calling Senator Kennedy old and spineless.

I know. I remember.

[suston96]

35. If Hillary lost the nomination to Obama I was going to support him.....

....now, I don't know.

The crappy part about what I just said is that it is true. So help me Allah!