The one place I never thought I'd see

[JTFrog]

people coming together to defend Poppy Bush. He's suddenly a great humanitarian and all around well liked guy.

That's it for me. Not even an enema will help this place.

*on edit - I should have clarified: I realize it's only a fraction of DU, but what a vocal fraction they are. It's been rather disgusting to read thread after thread after thread.

[tekisui]

1. Don't you know the Clinton's are infallible.

If they say it is good, it must be good.

[MadBadger]

2. I didnt realize people were coming together

I thought some HRC supporters were defending this. While the rest of us realized that helping a country that got hit with a tsunami is a lot different than repairing our relations with other countries that Poppy's son fucked up.

[babylonsister]

3. I hope you recognize not all of us think that way, just those who

feel the need to defend Clinton at all cost. I think they're in the minority here, though they are vocal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3856092&mesg_id=3856092

[JTFrog]

9. No, I should have clarified that I don't think everyone

at DU feels that way. I am just amazed at the amount of pro-Poppy crap that I read today.

[blm]

It only comes from an increasingly shrinking group of apologists.

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[tekisui]

24. I noticed their shrinking as well.

I think the Hill-o-copter is in a tail spin.

[Mythsaje]

4. Are you sure they're people?

I mean...people have absolutely nothing in common with the BFEE. That's for the lizard overlords.

Seriously, though. We're not all fucking nuts.

[Vickers]

5. Seriously. It's like defending Hitler by saying he was a vegetarian

non-smoker that loved puppies.

Yeah, that makes it all better. :crazy:

[Buzz Clik]

10. You're comparing GWHB to Hitler? gawd.

[Vickers]

11. No.I'm comparing the effect of claiming the good points outweigh the bad.

But hey, you knew that.

[Buzz Clik]

16. No, I totally disagree with every aspect of your argument, particularly the Hitler comparison.

You're saying that we simply cannot look at a single act and say, "That was a good thing you did" even though the person is guilty of other "indiscretions".

This is like the hysteria over the security guard at the fundie Church in Colorado -- well, hells bells! She can't be a hero because she lied to her employer once.

Sorry, but I'm not that consumed.

[Dhalgren]

23. Hitler did like dogs and he built some pretty good highways and he

promoted the development of Volkswagens. Poppy Bush did a couple of good things, too - see that is a legitimate comparison - it may not be a great one, but it doesn't have to be great to be legitimate. The point may be exaggerated, but it is the point.

Finding redeeming qualities about GHW Bush is a sickening exersize...Hey, there's another Hitler comparison! :hi:

[Vickers]

You're comparing Hitler to that Colorado security guard? Gawd!

:rofl:

Adios!

[Kucinich4America]

13. Well, Prescott Bush was responsible for unleashing both upon this world

so I would say a comparison is warranted. And if you counted up the collective death toll of Poppy's CIA, I'm sure it would be a higher number than Hitler's.

[balantz]

15. There must still be some who don't know about this,

Don't believe it, or don't.....care? about it.

[Buzz Clik]

17. And I disagree.

[Kucinich4America]

21. Disagree with what? Historical facts??

Are you disputing the fact that the Bush Crime Family funded Hitler? Or that Prescott Bush and his same partners from Union Bank were the ones who started the CIA, which Poppy was in from the beginning?

[Buzz Clik]

25. No, I disagree with comparing Bush to Hitler, and ...

I disagree with extrapolating some fuzzy facts about grandpa right into the lap of Bush. And I disagree that any of this automatically excludes even the remote possibility of acknowledging that Bush's mission(s) with Clinton were worthy of praise.

[Kucinich4America]

28. Fuzzy facts?

The son of a bitch had his assets seized under the "Trading with the Enemy" act in 1942, because he continued to profit from Nazi Germany even after the US had officially entered the war. What's fuzzy about that?

[balantz]

30. Pretty Goddamned Crystal-Clear To Me!!

[dionysus]

6. why are you a hater? j/k

yeah, it truly does boggle the mind... amazingly, it's more than just a few. sad.

[Cha]

7. Oh come on..

it's just the hillary faction and what would you expect? We're still the same board..just have some hillary sychophants that will follow her off into the bfee aby$$.

[Buzz Clik]

8. The reaction was more in response to a specific mission, not to his entire resume'.

We're all aware of GHWB's shortcomings. But, the things he did with Clinton were pretty admirable.

Some of us can separate the man from his deeds. Some of us take his life's work as an entire, inseparable package. I wouldn't give it any more weight than that.

[Benhurst]

14. Yeah, killing tens of thousands of peasants in Latin America, Iran Contra and dope smuggling

are one thing, his charitable work is another.

But then what do you expect here on DU? There are even some here who won't give Hitler credit for making the trains run on time.

[Buzz Clik]

18. Hitler again.

Don't let me interfere with your hate.

[Benhurst]

31. Don't let me interfer with your ignorance.

George Herbert Walker Bush was every bit the war criminal his son is.

Bill Clinton looked the other way, and Bush was allowed to skip free and go on to put his son in the White House. And now Clinton has allowed himself to be slapped down by him. Way to go, Bill.

[Kucinich4America]

20. Considering how Hitler used the trains, that's not much to brag about.

However, he DID have something to do with creating the Autobahn, which spawned the Interstate Highway System in the US. And the Volkswagen. At least Hitler contributed two worthwhile things to history. I can't think of ANYTHING good that came from the Bush Crime Family.

[ellacott]

22. and they keep ignoring that it wasn't an entirely successful mission

My groups withdrew because the funds were never distributed and some of the distributions went to Neil Bush for his educational software.

[Buzz Clik]

26. "not entirely successful". You mean the world didn't become a perfect place?

Similar arguments can be made about Farm Aid, the AIDS concerts, and the concerts Gore put together for global warming awareness.

Do we forgive Gore for his not solving global warming with a single concert, or do we compare him to Hitler?

[ellacott]

29. I have nothing to do with comparison's to Hitler

So I won't comment on it.

My point is the Katrina relief fund was a bigger mess than what the media would tell you. The person that was the biggest advocate of this collaboration stated it like it was the perfect place.

[Benhurst]

34. Bullshit! Stop denigrating legitimate charities to defend you Bush Crime Family buddies.

George Herbert Walker is a war criminal, responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands in Latin America. If comparing him to Hitler for his war crimes (and granted he was not nearly so successful)offends your delicate sensibilities, then perhaps we can compare him to Charles Manson, a man locked away for life for conspiring to kill a mere handful of individuals. Compared to George Herbert Walker Bush, he is a saint.

Farm Aid, the AIDS concerts, and the concerts Gore put together have never to my knowledge been accused of misappropriating, misdirecting or failing to distribute funds.

The funds raised by Clinton and Bush, on the other hand, have fallen under serious criticism and the diversion of some of the Katrina funds to Neil Bush's little education scam was obscene.

[truedelphi]

12. I think a lot of us throw up at the mere mention

Of Poppy's name.

And as someone who tunes into the Spanish stations, both George W and Bill Clinton were arm in arm at major Mexican and Central American receptions several months ago.

Also, the Paraguay deal that so many of us at DU thought was about the Bushes buying Real Estate so they could escape somewhere without extradition - it actually involved the Bush family buying up a major Paraguyian water aquifer.

[balantz]

19. Even for just the basic fact that this family STOLE the White House

should be enough for any true Democrat to keep a ten foot pole handy.

[yardwork]

27. What!! Where? Anybody defending that horrible man is in the wrong place here.

[Benhurst]

33. Amen!

[IndianaJones]

32. lmao...ohhh the outrage. nt.

[rucky]

35. Glad I missed that little wave. n/t