Did Hillary lie this morning?

[Dawgs]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/17/clinton-contradicts-her-o_n_77103.html

Today
On Monday, Hillary Clinton contradicted her top strategist by stating that her campaign had asked Bill Shaheen, the New Hampshire co-chair, to resign after his controversial remarks Barack Obama's past drug use.

"We asked him to step down," Clinton said during a media blitz that saw her go on six morning news shows. "Every time somebody in my campaign says something that we don't believe is right, appropriate, we take care of it... We move quickly. And we will keep doing it."

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Last week
MATTHEWS: Did you tell him to step down?

PENN: The senator made that clear. No, he stepped down. And he made clear...

MATTHEWS: Do you tell him to step down? It took 24 hours for him to do it. Do you think he did it in time...

PENN: No. No.

[babylonsister]

1. Oopsie! nt

[MNDemNY]

2. Depends, did she speak?

[asdjrocky]

3. Were her lips moving?

[Frances]

4. I saw all of the headlines about more spying etc

this am and came to DU to find like-minded people.

PLEASE stop nit-picking our Dem candidates. Any ONE of them is better than the Repubs.

[jenmito]

7. So, we should just let lies go if they're said by Dems.?

[Connie_Corleone]

9. You're in the wrong forum.

This is what GD: Politics is for, to discuss the Democratic candidates.

If you want info on spying, go to General Discussion.

[jenmito]

5. YES! I heard that comment this morning and thought I heard something different last week.

I hope this gets some attention. Just more lies.

[gateley]

6. I'd believe Hillary before I'd believe Mark Penn... nt

[ClarkUSA]

8. Is the Pope Catholic?

She, like Bill, lies as easily and as much as they breathe.

[IndianaJones]

11. Rush? nt.

[ClarkUSA]

17. Truth.

It hurts, doesn't it?

[IndianaJones]

24. Rush? nt.

[ClarkUSA]

46. Polly wanna cracker?

:rofl:

[IndianaJones]

47. Wes? nt.

[jefferson_dem]

21. Hillary? nt.

[IndianaJones]

28. close...Joe Momma. nt.

[Armstead]

10. Slick Hilly

You never know what the truth is or isn't.

[Lucinda]

12. Penn says HE didn't do it. That has nothing to do with Hillary's comment as far as I can see...

How does that make her a liar?

[Capn Sunshine]

15. No Penn's the liar. Hillary is the enabler

something she's truly good at.

[Dawgs]

18. Are you serious?

Hillary: "We asked him to step down,"

PENN: "No, he stepped down."

[Lucinda]

26. Your OP asks if Hillary lied. I see no evidence that she did.

[Dawgs]

30. How bout, does this make Hillary's campaign look stupid?

:shrug:

[rinsd]

31. How so? It makes it look like the candidate was the one who pulled the plug.

Which is how it should look anyway.

[Dawgs]

42. No. It makes it look like she and her campaign manager aren't on the same page.

Remember, this wasn't some minor issue.

[rinsd]

48. How so? Coming on the heels of Obama's "my campaign manager did it" response, I think it works.

[JackORoses]

54. I know you are smart enough to see the difference here.

There is an objective truth.
Either Shaheen was told to resign or he decided this himself.

Hillary says he was told to do so.
Penn says he did it on his own.

This is a blatant contradiction.

So who was lying, Penn or Hillary?

I believe Hillary fudged the facts to make her appear more in control of her outfit,
but maybe Penn was lying.

Either way, someone was definitely being dishonest.
And you don't like dishonesty, do ya rinsd?

[rinsd]

56. "And you don't like dishonesty, do ya rinsd?"

Nope, especially from you which includes the characterization here of what was said and what was done.

[burythehatchet]

19. .

:rofl:

I would expect nothing less. I honestly believe that we all are much more similar to our chosen candidate than we would care to admit.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. Good point.

Shw was probably using the royal 'We'.

[JackORoses]

53. no, he implied 'the campaign' didn't ask Shaheen to resign

[rinsd]

13. I would imagine the candidate would ask someone to step down so maybe I am missing something.

[Dawgs]

14. Deleted - wrong place

[quinnox]

16. No, but lets say she did

so what?

Is there a candidate running that is pure as snow and hasn't lied about something? Come on, lets be serious.

[jenmito]

27. Maybe we Dems. better point out her lie(s) so the Repubs. won't be able to use it like it's new

info. Don't you agree?

[quinnox]

32. not on this issue

I dont think this is a big deal even if she did lie about it. But most likely they (Penn and Hillary) just had bad communication and they both thought they were telling the truth.

[jenmito]

44. I disagree...

It speaks to her/their tactics of running a campaign. If they'll lie about this, they'll lie about other things. It speaks to a larger issue of dirty campaigning. I doubt they had "bad communication." They run a tight ship.

[mitchtv]

40. within reason

posts about a candidates name and relatives and kindergarten records are beneath low. It is sad to see what Dems did to Gray Davis and Phil Angelides. We are not bette off with Groper. Dems put him there, Fifth column Dems

[bvar22]

55. Yes! We are just "vetting" Hillary...

..just like Hillary is helping Obama by "vetting" him.

:rofl:

I'm glad I don't live in HillaryWorld.
I get dizzy too easily.

[jenmito]

58. Exactly!

Hey-what's good for the goose is good for the goose's opponent!

[Onlooker]

20. It's not a lie, though someone like Drudge might think that.

Penn said that he, Penn, did not tell him to step down.

Hillary said that "we" told him to step down.

I guess you need to figure out who actually told him to step down.

[Dawgs]

25. No, Penn said that "he stepped down".

And, if you don't accept that, why are Hillary and Penn not communicating on something as important as this disaster?

[MadBadger]

22. Sending this to the greatest page

[Cameron27]

23. I'm certain Clinton advised him to step down,

when a co-chair makes a statement that causes such a media event, of course the candidate will help him 'decide' whether or not to leave.

[shaniqua6392]

29. Wake up everyone!!

THEY ALL LIE!!!!! All politicians lie. Dems and Repukes all lie. They tell us what we want to hear. Why does everyone think their favorite candidate is incapable of lying? We just have to pick the one that lies the least.

[quinnox]

36. You said it!

This really cant be argued, IMHO.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

33. how can one tell? she answered no question directly.

and that laugh! what is going on inside her campaign?

[Beacool]

34. What a depressing bore this board has become!!!!

Why bother coming here, when some of you are as bad as the Freepers? Don't like Hillary? Fine, don't vote for her but stop bashing her in almost every single post. It's getting sickening!

[Cameron27]

38. I feel the same way,

there are so many nonsense threads, sometimes it's not worth logging in. This is NOT political debate.

[FreeState]

35. "Every time somebody in my campaign says something that we don't believe is right, appropriate, we

"We asked him to step down," Clinton said during a media blitz that saw her go on six morning news shows. "Every time somebody in my campaign says something that we don't believe is right, appropriate, we take care of it... We move quickly. And we will keep doing it."

Hillary is showing a lot more respect to Obama than Obama is paying to GLBT voters.

[MadBadger]

37. She should ask Mark Penn to step down.

[Dawgs]

43. McClurkin is in Obama's campaign?

[sandnsea]

45. She asked her SC co-chairs to step down?

When is their bigotry every going to matter to GLBT voters?

[Stop Cornyn]

39. I don't know. Were her lips moving?

[hayu_lol]

49. These Repugnant talking points are exceedingly pointless...

Anything to slam one of the candidates. Huffington Post is written by a woman who married a wealthy guy and did very well by him, until it became known that he was gay. She and he also hired illegal aliens to work on their house and grounds. Does she have credibility? Bartcop says no more credibility than Dowd...another loser.

Some of these phonies and trolls amongst us are revealing themselves time and time again.

And Matthews? You accept Matthews show as gospel?

Did you folks get your full dose of the Oxycontin Queen this morning? The world wants to know.

[jenmito]

50. You CANNOT be serious, discrediting the sources when video is available for all to see!

So people who point out inconsistencies in Hillary's campaign are phonies and trolls? :wtf:

[flvegan]

51. Hillary lie? Oh, pshaw. Never!

[DrFunkenstein]

52. Im Sure She Didn't Know About The Planted Questions in The Campaign Portfolio

Just like Bush was unaware of the outing of Valerie Plame.

[zulchzulu]

57. It depends on the meaning of what "step down" means

:boring:

Of course, she lied. Gee whiz...