The downside of voting for Kucinich

[penguin7]

I don't see the downside.

My last choice in this primary by a long shot is Edwards and I also believe that he is the weakest candidate in the general.

By the logic of many here, I should be voting for Obama or Hillary since they are viable and Kucinich is not.

This is just plain nuts. I am going to vote for single payer health care and I am going to make a clear vote against the war in Iraq. I am voting for Kucinich.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. My thinking exactly, my dear penguin7!

Those are the main reasons I'm voting for him too...

:patriot:

[bonito]

2. Me too

But I'm thinking Edwards is a better bet.

[K Gardner]

3. Thousands of people will be joining you in voting for Kucinich...

And those votes will send a clear message. I laud your commitment and determination.

Have you been showing people the Sicko DVD??

[Quixote1818]

4. Edwards the weakest candidate in the general????

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Now that is funny!

[silverojo]

20. Apparently you haven't seen the polls

Where Edwards beats any Repuke the GOP can throw at him...?

[MGKrebs]

25. If only the election were tomorrow...

[maximusveritas]

5. Hard to dispute that

It's funny how the Edwards people will bring up Kucinich's looks as a reason for why he's not electable, but then whine whenever his haircut is brought up. It's all BS.
The only thing that matters is who you think the best candidate is.

[stillcool]

6. the logic of fear...or using

fear to your advantage...
the Democratic Congress 'fear' the republicans for whatever reason sounds good. So..the Democratic Party Faithful 'fear' picking a candidate for whatever reason sounds good. So...Congress goes along, and so do the American people.

[Orrex]

7. What are your plans, on the off chance that Kucinich doesn't win the primary?

Will you vote for the Democrat nominated for the general election?

[Ken Burch]

9. You can assume that we Kucinich people will be much more loyal to another candidate

that backers of one of the media-anointed "mainstream" candidates would be if people power beat money and Dennis were actually nominated.

[riqster]

11. Yep. And the more votes Kooch gets

...the more progressive that candidate will have to act.

There is no downside. If Kucinich wins the primary, we have a progressive candidate. If he loses but gets support, whoever does win will have to move Left to hold the Kooch supporters.

It's a win-win. By the way, there's still time to help make the point: 12152007

[TwilightZone]

8. "Edwards...is the weakest candidate in the general"

Not according to some of the polls floating around DU. In one of them, he's the strongest.

[Prophet 451]

10. I don't much care who's strongest in the general

I can't vote anyway (I'm a Brit) but I'm supporting Kucinich for a fairly simple reason: I agree with him on most things and the stuff I disagree about is fairly minor.

[Truth2Tell]

12. Amen brother!

lots and lots of upside.

(I do disagree about Edwards tho.)

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. That's curious. My top choice is Dennis, but my very strong

2nd is Edwards. He's very strong with labor, despite being from an anti-labor state, and he's experienced with going up against the most egregious corporate abuses though his law practice. If he'd been calling the shots in '04 there would have been a much more focused response to the vote fraud in Ohio.

I've heard some people say he puts on a phony accent, but I hear that accent every day around here - I don't think there is a phony thing about him.

I don't think his healthcare plan goes far enough, but other then Dennis, who's does?

[garybeck]

19. I'm with you on Kuch and Edwards being 2nd.

right now i'm leaning toward voting for Kuch. I think the only other candidate I could possibly be convinced to vote for instead of Kuch is Edwards.

[southerncrone]

28. I'm another Kucinich 1st, Edwards 2nd DUer.

We've got to voice our feelings with our vote. If DK doesn't win as another poster stated, the winner must acknowledge our position, which will give us some leverage.

If the voting machines don't get taken care of, then our votes REALLY won't matter anyway.

[southerncrone]

29. What accent?

I can assure you that Edward's "accent" is genuine. It's a Southern thing.;)

[stuartrida]

14. You and the few dozen people who feel that way should vote however you want

The way I see it, the downside of voting for Kucinich is that he would be a weak President who would consider subjecting us to Vice President Ron Paul.

[superkia]

15. The sheep have fell for the medias nonsense and wont support...

the candidate the media ignores and ridicules. In my life, I have never voted for a candidate because I thought they were electable, I have noticed the MSM plays that card allot. I have always voted on the issues and for the candidate that represents my beliefs but nowadays there are too many brainwashed sheep voting, all the while thinking THEY are the ones making an impact on the elections...oh wait they are impacting the elections but in a negative, destructive way. The sheeple fall for it and start using the same talking points to discredit a candidate that is speaking the truth and speaking on behalf of the people, not the system. The sad shape of our country is NOT the governments fault, its the sheep that hold them up and support them. I am sick of seeing everyone complain about everything and doing nothing to make CHANGE. I never liked or disliked sheep but I now wish the sheeple would all be herded away to camps or killed because they are the ones destroying our country and our children's future, we know that the corrupt ones are corrupt but when the sheep keep hoisting them up, we lose.

[Stop Cornyn]

16. Thanks for posting this

[TroubleMan]

17. As a long time and current Kucinich supporter, I think Edwards is the 2nd strongest candidate.

If Kucinich doesn't win, I'd still be very happy if Edwards did. Also, I think that Edwards would do a lot better against any repug in the general election that Hillary or Obama would.

[eridani]

21. I agree--he has gone for real substance this time around

He is calling out corporations and making poverty an issue. Why do I suspect that the Kucinich 2004 campaign had some influence here? :)

[garybeck]

18. You are 180 degrees off on Edwards in the general election

Edwards Only Dem To Beat Every Republican

The latest CNN head-to-head poll has the Democratic field very strongly performing against Republicans. But not in every matchup. Only one Democratic candidate polls as the choice between a hypothetical matchup between 1 Democrat and 1 Republican each time: Senator John Edwards.

http://www.boxxet.com/John_Edwards/CNN_Poll_John_Edwards_Only_Dem_To_Beat_Every_Republican.1duypj.d

Edwards has less negatives in the general election than Hillary or Obama and is clearly the best candidate if your main concern is the general election.

[Libface]

22. I'll be voting for

Kucinich in the primary and if Edwards makes it to the general, barring something unexpected, I will vote for him without a lot of apprehension. He has the best chance to beat the GOP (er according to the info we have now), his health care is sort of not that bad kind of :), he is at least giving lip-service to poverty issues and the corporate stranglehold. I guess that's incrementally better than not having those things and it's definitely better than not having those things PLUS not being able to beat the GOP. Kucinich is the closest to my ideal but Edwards comes in a distant 2nd.

[DesertRat]

23. "Strength through Peace"

I'm voting for Kucinich too. :patriot:

[katadin706]

24. Me Too . . .

I'm not voting for another corporate shill -- EVER. I'm voting my conscience, and my conscience tells me Kucinich is the ONLY candidate deserving of my vote.

[MGKrebs]

26. Sounds like you may only be considering policy positions, but there is much

more to the job of president than just being able to articulate our goals. That ability may be good for legislators, but executive branch leaders must be able to "sell" and implement their ideas too. That requires organizational ability, deal-making, trust, partnerships, and a host of other qualities.

[John Q. Citizen]

30. Yep, and Dennis has proved repeatedly he knows how to compromise as well as to

stick by his guns when need be.

In fact Dennis is probably the most diplomatic out of the whole bunch, as well as the most open and forthcoming. He and we know where he stands on the issues. This is a major component of leadership - trust.

We trust Dennis. We know he's going to do what he said he would do, and do it to the very best of his considerable abilities.

Wasn't it amazing how Dennis introduced impeachment on the House floor with a privalidged resolution, and he walked through the lion's den with it intact all the way back to the judiciary, with Waxman (a House heavy weight if ever their was)now repeatedly and publically pushing the very same idea?

This tells me Dennis is a leader. He's the leader we need right now.

He's fearless and he's wise.

Plus it's also my opportunity to vote for single payer, HR1234 on Iraq, and the constitution. So I think I'll take it.

[Desertrose]

27. I have to agree, penguin7

Kucinich has my vote on Feb 5th and hopefully beyond that,too.

[phillyliberal]

31. there is a big downfall to voting for dennis

Its simple... if you vote for someone like Dennis, that will make our chances less likely in nominating someone electable, or other than Hillary.

I wouldnt advise anyone to vote for anyone but Biden, Edwards, or Obama....

[onehandle]

32. Edwards is the strongest candidate in the General.

Nice try.

[Occam Bandage]

33. That's an excellent use of a primary vote.

Seriously. I think there are two ways to approach a primary, both equally good:

1. Vote for whichever frontrunner you prefer, hoping they'll be the nominee.
2. Vote for who you prefer most, and in doing so send a message of support to the candidate and a message of position to the party. This is especially true if you think all the frontrunners are acceptable.

I can't decide whether I'll do #1 and support Obama, or #2 and support Biden. I go back and forth.

[ZombieHorde]

34. Fantastic post except this line...

This is just plain nuts.

My fellow libs are not just plain nuts, we are very flavorful nuts.